Showing posts with label Hungaricana. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Hungaricana. Show all posts

Saturday, April 11, 2026

FUN WITH HUNGARICANA #7 : THE LIBRI REGII in HUNGARICANA : WHAT'S INSIDE?

This post continues on the exploration of the Hungariacana databases.
Please note that there are extensive collections that are not uploaded onto databases. ***


NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY - HUNGARICANA - DATABASES - LIBRII REGII



Let's start with what "Librii Regii" means. This are Latin for "Royal Books" just as Királyi Könyvek, is Hungarian for "Royal Books" as well. But they are casually referred to as King's Books.

The collection contains 67 volumes of official records from the Hungarian Chancellery, documenting important state documents issued by the Kings of Hungary and Austria-Hungary between years 1527 and 1867. (So that includes Queen Maria Theresa's time on the throne.) Patents of nobility are just part of this collection. There are also wills, the ownership and transfer of ownership of land (a principal aspect of wealth), as well as many other aspects of royal decrees (laws, policies, and rules). *** However, you may need to ask an archivist at the National Archives of Hungary for some help, unless you can make your way through the Latin handwriting.


When you go to the link you will see a number of images (start pages) and the numbers below them indicate the DATES that are covered.

There are some images that are PRESS PRINTED IN LATIN.
There are some images that are handwritten in LATIN.
And there are some of these in HUNGARIAN.


BECAUSE SOME IMPORTANCE WAS GIVEN TO THESE DOCUMENTS, many were made with an attention to readability and neatness - beauty.


I'm going to link to a book of heraldry - family crests - coat of arms.  These are for the TITLED NOBILITY OF AN ERA and this book has over ONE THOUSAND PAGES. THIS BOOK IS FOR THE YEARS 1901- 1909.


HUNGARICANA ARCHIVES : BOOK IMAGE 71.1 KIRALYI KONYVEK  This is the cover image but you can SEE the artistic representations of each coat of arms.  The very first one has a crow holding an envelope in its mouth.  

YOU WILL ALSO SEE THAT THREE GREEN HILLS ARE PRESENT IN MANY OF THESE COAT OF ARMS...

This motif is so common in Hungarian arms, and I've not found a definitive reason why.  I venture that these indicate the Carpathian mountains and the story of how the tribal people who were seeking a homeland followed a White Stag through. Without reading the information given, I cannot say that this also indicates that the original members of the family were part of that adventure.

You will also see arms with swords. These indicate that the person battled or persevered over the Ottoman Turks who were in control of Hungarian lands for centuries - depending on locations - 

LINK TO MAJOR ARPAD HUNGARICANA - ROYAL BOOK - MAJOR ARPAD image 0082

This particular book may be of interest also because there are a good number of GERMAN SURNAMES included, including some who are listed as Medicinae Doctor (M.D.): Literally "Teacher of Medicine".  However, just as we call PhD educated people "Doctor", the use of this term may be honorary.

Interested in learning more about these databases.  See my past posts.  They will all come up if you click on the label  Pro Tip Hungaricana Fun

Thursday, March 6, 2025

FUN LEARNING WITH HUNGARICANA #4 : FOLK MUSIC TO LISTEN TO BY REGION : PECS - TOLNA SAMPLING

The Folk Music Collection of the HAS-RCH Institute for Musicology is behind this aspect of Hungaricana databases. There are more than 90 musical dialects on a map...

TITLE Kiskertembe szedik a virágot, én is szakítok róla

TRANSLATION 
They pick the flowers in my little garden, and I get rid of them too


THERE ARE SO MANY RECORDINGS TO SAMPLE! So many singers!
The collection includes images of the covers of albums, copies of phonograph and gramophone records from the Museum of Ethnography made between 1896 through the 1950's, and the Zoltan Kodaly manuscript melody collection compiled between 1905 and 1958.  (Sheet music.)

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Monday, March 3, 2025

FUN LEARNING WITH HUNGARICANA #3 : PICTURE and POSTCARD GALLERY - CASTLE FUZER

GALLERY HUNGARICANA  That's the start page!  Run the name of a place, a person, or a thing...

Over 40 pictures or postcards come up when doing this search using the term Fuzer. They come from the following sources: Fortepan,  National Szechenyi Library, Institute for Musicology (RCA), and The Zemplen Museum.

Using Fuzer up came these images: GALLERY HUNGARICANA HUNGARY : Search word FUZER

Click on the image and you will be taken to more information about it, including where it is located or which person or institution contributed it to Hungaricana.

GALLERY HUNGARICANA GROF KAROLYI LASZLO 



Gróf Károlyi László birtokán fekvő fuzeri (Abaúj m.) várromok

TRANSLATION : Füzéri (Abaúj m.) castle ruins on the property of László Count Károlyi

It also says that this was published through a book store in Satorujuhely and was taken by an amateur photographer.

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Friday, February 28, 2025

FUN LEARNING WITH HUNGARICANA #2 : URBARIUM : CENSUS/ INVENTORY OF LIKAVA SAINT SOPHIA CASTLE IN LIPTO COUNTY - AN INVENTORY CIRCA 1674

URBARIUM means census but it also means count or inventory.  Therefore, in this category you won't just find a count of people, but also possessions.

For this example, we will be linking to the following link which is found in the Hungaricana - Archives - Urbarium category: 

Archives Hungaricana Urbarium Lipto Search Castle  

The year on this archival document is 1674.

IN LATIN and then HUNGARIAN IT SAYS: 

Inventarium

A likavai vár és birtokbeli tartozékai inventariuma, melyet Schultz György, Turanszky Gábor, Haassaeus Fülöp és Rady László kamarai megbízottak vettek fel a fenti napi, rózsahegyi kelettel.

(NB! A leltár érdekessége az, hogy – eltérően a kor és a kamara szokásától – először a leltározott tárgyat nevezi meg, s utána sorolja fel, hogy ebből az adott tárgybólhol, mennyi van. Ez tárgyi szempontból áttekinthetővé s lényegesen rövidebbé is teszi az inventariumot.)

TRANSLATION TO ENGLISH (You can find the extensive Hungarian at the link.)
INVENTORY

The inventory of the Likava castel and its belongings, which was taken by chamber commissioners Gyorgy Schultz, Gabor Turanszky, Fulop Haassaeus and Laszlo Rady, with the above daily east from Rossahegy. (NOTE! The interesting thing about the inventory is that - unlike the customs of the age and the chamber - it first names the item being inventoried and then lists where and how much of this particular item it has. This makes the inventory clear and significantly shorter.) My remark: daily east means about a day's travel by horseback from Rossahegy.(Rossenberg). Notice the Germans into Hungary here with both the name Gyorgy Schultz and the place name Rossenberg. Also the castle is named after Saint Sophia, who's Greek Orthodox. It turns out Saint Sophia was a member of the Royal Family of Hungary. Also Fulup Haassaeus, who appears on the last page with his seal, along with the others, as Phillip Jacob Haas, may have been Jewish.
Saint Zsofia Castle in Likava.

First the inventory examines the grain crops: wheat, barley, double wheat (It also notes the Slovak name of the double wheat "Polovina," oats, millet, and then flour (measured in lukna and korec.) Then: construction materials: “Tegulae cauae pro lectis circiter No 30 – Asseres teneus No 50, Crassiores No 24 – Asseres ex rubro ligno No 21” = Caucus tiles for beds about 30, Thin planks 50, Thicker planks, 24, Red wood planks, 21. Then: flank bacon, smoked pork loin and head, shoulder blades skin bundle (by number of pieces), honey (in a barrel), a cup measure.  - Various animal skins (cow, sheep, calf, old goat, goat skins, finally in general "pelles elaboratae" = worked skins by number of pieces. Then cheese curds (in a jar), cheese (by the number of pieces), butter (in a box.) Afterwards: wine (in barrels), empty barrels, icces half and quarter-iccces measures made of wood.  Wooden ? also in the cellar: sauerkraut (in barrels.) - Salt (in glaze), flour boxes (by number of pieces) - Stones for construction ("Lapides quadratae" - according to the number of pieces; deposited; in several places of the castle.

Hollowed out pumpkin. Iron bars. Furnaces (both in the new castle and the old castle).  My note is that this must refer to the castle that existed there before 1674. Iron doors and windows (same: according to location and number of pieces) Then - Tables, chairs, window frames, stools, locks, pans.  Carriages, cabinets, auger, grape press, tubs - Flax sheaves  Board cutting saw. Large drills suitable for drilling wooden pipes.

Carriages, cabinets, auger, grape press, tubs. - Flax sheaves. – Board cutting saw. – Large drills suitable for drilling wooden pipes. "Libra." (NB!  The location is only very briefly defined everywhere:  "In novo Castello."  "In area Inferior: - etc.  So as I mentioned above, the emphasis is on the objects in the inventory, and not where they are.) - Furnace stone plinths ("Pedes lapidea pro appondendis fornacibus"), water barrels ("Urnae aquaticae:) hen cages - Then there will be allodial sheep and goat herds grazing on two larger mountain pastures (old and young sheep, old and young rams, old goats, young goats, old and young goats - according to number.

Then flows the Liskofalva allodium : Cereals (rye, barley, spelt, oats - in husks.) - After, the numerous livestock of the same place (dairy cows, pea cows, barren cows, old sheep, young sheep, plow oxen - "Arabiles Boues" - five - four - three - and two year old bulls.  Also "Vaccae inutiles, nullius valoris, one piece, as well as : "Graudida juuenca No1, Juuencula anni No 2" otherwise" young, one-year-old bulls; pigs, boars, piglets, geese, hens with a rooster)

Agricultural tools, tools, in the same allodium: plows (completely equipped), hay cart, with all accessories, yokes for oxen, a chain of 60 links.  

Smaller and larger jugs, pewter spitting dish, water barrel with iron tires. (NB!  After each group is finished, the doors and windows of the buildings visited are listed one by one, briefly stating whether the door and window structure in question is made of iron, and if it is a door or gate, what kind of lock it has. For these he names the building - e.g. "portae ad Horrea" but sometimes he doesn't...

(continued)

This inventory reveals that the castle was depending on farming and animal husbandry, which may have supplied the residents of the castle.  Let's do some more research....

Who was Saint Sophia of Hungary? 

There were three castles in Lipto. This one is in ruins but you can visit it:


Excerpt: The Castle was referred to for the first time in 1315. Its construction started with the intention to have a guarding point over the passage across the river Váh and the trade route from the Váh Basin to Orava and further to Poland.

The Castle owners, the noble family of Hunyady, gradually reconstructed and widened the core of the Castle and built the part called the lower Castle in the second half of the 15th century. In the second half of the 17th century, the Thökölys' eventually finished the entire fortification system though it was of no use as it did not prevent the disaster at the beginning of the 18th century when the retreating troops of František Rákoczi completely pulled down the Castle in 1707.

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Tuesday, February 25, 2025

FUN LEARNING WITH HUNGARICANA #1 : CHARTERS : A WILL in ABAUJ CIRCA YEAR 1438

What does the term "Charter" mean? Modern definition: A charter is a legal document granted to an individual or corporation. It outlines the purpose and structure for the creation of a colony, city, or organization, as well as the rights each organization will have.

Charters in the National Archives of Hungary, or found through the databases of Hungaricana, are decisions made by the King or other authorities such as Princes, Nobles, land-owners/ Barons (including churches), or local authorities, about property rights, and may include information about grants, repossessions, and who is who. They also document wills, such as the one we will look at here.

Charters may not apply to your family or personal research, but it can be some fun to look into them anyway to see if any of the places your ancestors lived are included in the Hungaricana databases. It can be thrilling to find someone with your surname mentioned in a very old Charter, even if you'll never be able to prove they are related to you. With these Charters you can get a feel for the way of life and mentality of a time and place. 

The Charters are from pre-printing press days when a scribe had the specialized skills of writing and reading. Nobles often remained illiterate and allowed the scribe - a servant - to do his work. Religious people - priests, monks, nuns - were more learned than most people, who were unable to read or write. As a note, sometimes just being able to handwrite your name was considered literate. Instead of a handwritten signature, some people, including notaries, used wax seals, often with the family heraldry, to indicate their presence or approval.

Using the Google (or another translator) can be extremely helpful when you don't know the Hungarian language. This is because the old, handwritten Hungarian (which might differ from more current Hungarian) of the Charters can be difficult but HUNGARICANA's modern language abstracts are sometimes close to word for word. You can go to the original document (some of which are in tatters, other pristine) and see if there is more information if intrigued by the abstract.

In the example below, we also encounter Latin of the early Medieval period.

Let's take a look!

I chose to search for Gonc (In Abauj County) because the now small settlement, which got bypassed when the railroad was built, was once an important  "hustle-bustle" administrative center in Hungary and many Charters were entered there.  


TITLE and TRANSLATION THAT WILL COME UP IN HUNGARICANA
DIPLOMATIKAI LEVÉLTÁR (Q szekció) • Kincstári levéltárból (E) • MKA, Acta Paulinorum (Q 312) • 13191

THE DATE ON THIS CHARTER IS May 22,1438 (!)

Diplomatic Archive section Q  From the treasury archive (E)  MKA, acta Paulinorum (Q312) / 13191

Issuers of the charter Mihály gönci plébános
Mihály alesperes
György telkibányai plébános
Antal deruskai plébános   (de Ruskai indicates the settlement Goncruszka a few miles from Gonc.)

TRANSLATION : Milahly is the parish priest from Gonc (which today is named Saint Emerics) and he is a deputy. Gyorgy is a parish priest from Telkibanya (which is a settlement around the mountain from Gonc.) Antal is a parish priest from Deruska. (Goncruska)


végrendelet - this is a will

ABSTRACT TEXT
The parish priests of Mihaly- Gonc, Gyorgy -Telkibanya and Anta -Deruska prove that GYORGY CUPRAR, citizen of Telkibanya, bequeathed his vineyard and mill, which grinds various products and wood, to SZUZ MARIA, monastery in Gonc. (MONESTARY OF THE VIRGIN MARY) Fragment of three green imprinted seals. (These are the official wax seals of the three priests.)
....

ABSTACT TEXT CONTINUES:

Parish priest and deacon Mihaly of Gwnch (Gonc), parish priest Gyorgy of Telkybania, and parish priest Antal of Ruska testify that on the Monday before the feast of the Ascension of the Lord (May 19) in the parish priest Mihaly's house (dota), citizen GYORGY CUPRAR of Telkibania appeared before them and made a will to leave the village of Chechuz in the territory of Telkibania with all its benefits, with the exception of one plot of land, which he will keep for himself during his lifetime, to the monastery of the Virgin Mary near Gwnch, also to this monastery he leaves his vineyard in Sancho on the Chater Mountain with the stipulation that the monks of the monetary cultivate the vineyard and give him half the yield of the vineyard as long as he lives. At the head of the village and the vineyard should say a mas de quinque vulneribus Christi.(Translation from Latin: Mass of the Five Wounds of Christ) every day, with the exception of Saturday, and a mas de assuncione Maria viginis glorios (Mass of the Glorious Assumption of Mary). He also leaves the mill for grinding cereals and pulses located in the territory of Telkybania to the monastery, with the stipulation that as long as he, his wife and her sister are alive, they will use the mill, and only after their death will it be fully transferred to the monastery.

GO TO THIS LINK TO SEE THE ORIGINAL including the three seals of the priests.

We know that in the 1400's the village may have been called or written GWNCH so I also searched for Chater Mountain and also the village Chechuz - none of which are coming up on the Internet...  Maybe you can find them?

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Saturday, February 22, 2025

FUN LEARNING WITH HUNGARICANA : INTRODUCTION TO A HUNGARIAN HISTORY AND GENEALOGY SERIES

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COMING UP!  I ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOLLOW MY LEAD AND EXERCIZE YOUR RESEARCH SKILLS!

You may not speak the language and many Hungarian-Americans do not. But you can still use the Hungaricana databases fairly well. Some truly amazing archival documents have been preserved. 

Here's the link to the main page: https://www.hungaricana.hu/en/ of the Hungaricana CULTURAL HERITAGE PORTOL.


Excerpt: The purpose of the Hungaricana project is to share Hungarian cultural heritage including contents that have never been accessible before. Our goal is to create an environment where everyone, whether professional or amateur, can explore Hungary's, or even their own history and culture in a clean and efficient way.


READY?

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Saturday, October 5, 2024

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #4

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #4

 MORE MAP RESOURCES    

When AUSTRIA ruled Hungary and the southern part of now-Poland, called Galicia, the two countries were subject to modernization notions coming out of Vienna.  Because of Austrian rule, census took place, maps were made, educational standards were raised (though that was easier said than done), and military service as well as taxes were demanded.  

As previously mentioned, today's house numbers and the numbers on old maps from a hundred or more years ago - and mentioned on church records - are unlikely to coordinate. What's key is to find a map that shows properties on or about the time the ancestors lived in the town. We previously looked at an excellent resource called HUNGARICANA

But there are other resources for maps.

One of the best is ARCANUM which used to be called MAPIRE. These are historical maps of Europe. The site has four categories. Maps of Europe.  City maps. Country maps.  And Cadastral maps.

Under Cadastral we link to ARCANUM MAPS : HAPSBURG EMPIRE

As I mentioned in my first post, which was a bit of a history lesson,  Galicia - Southern Poland, parts of what is now Ukraine, and what is now Slovakia - as well as some other geographical possessions of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire (aka Hapsburg Empire) fall into one category.  So maps at this site include from the HUNGARIAN, CROATION, BUDAPEST, AUSTRIAN, and UKRAINIAN archives. (To find them we may research possible German names for the same settlement.)

But, you may be surprised to learn that our very own LIBRARY OF CONGRESS HAS A WONDERFUL ADVISEMENT AND COLLECTION.  You can go right there at this link:

LIBRARY OF CONGRESS : AUSTRIA HUNGARY CARTOGRAPHIC RESOURCES EASTERN EUROPE

Excerpt: As Empires go, that of Austria Hungary was among the briefest, having lasted only form 1867 to 1918, nevertheless, its constituent nations served as major sources of emigration to the Unite States in the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries.

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Wednesday, September 25, 2024

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #3

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #3

Térkép is the Hungarian word for map. Térképek is the Hungarian word for maps. Vármegye is the Hungarian word for county. Some of the maps will use LATIN and some will use GERMAN.

A real find is when the register of a Cadastral Map that was made with the map still exists. The  register equates the numbers on the map, the numbers on the map, with the names of the property owners!  

This is especially helpful because basically the current day numbering system for buildings cannot be counted on to reflect the place a person lived or the land they owned back in the day. (I know you wanted to use Google maps to see where they lived using that information but...)

In villages and towns, even those with streets that were named and still have the same name today, the numbering system is not the same. For instance, today, if you want an address in a town in America, you will find that the even numbers are on one side of the street and the odd numbers on the other. Houses actually have house numbers on them and that's your official address for mail and packages and probably is the address on your driver's license or ID. Streets and roads are easy to identify with so much signage. That's not how house and buildings were numbered, if at all, in villages and small towns where everybody knew everybody and a stranger could easily get instructions on where to find someone. A local would show where to go by pointing, walking you there, or telling you to follow a curve in the road until you came to a big tree.

Houses in old Europe were often given numbers in the order they were built.  I've heard it said that the lower the number the older the building.  I've also heard it said that the numbers went up the further from the church. There are many churches that were built near an especially scenic or otherwise good location, such as near a running stream. Usually a settlement came first, and then, if there were enough people to attend a church, a church. (Find out when the church was built and if your ancestors lived in a village before it was build, their church records are likely at another village.) 

House numbers on births, marriages, and death records can help you identify family members - even generational members. The house (or farm or estate) number is where the event happened. (That means that if the birth was at the house of the midwife rather than at home the number might not be the family home,  but usually midwives came to the house of the birthing mother.) Most valuable are the numbers that appear on marriage records since they reflect where the bride and the groom were living at the time of the marriage, though the ritual happened in the church. You may be able to see if they started their married life in with parents and which household, and perhaps how long they lived there through the births of children, until they found a place of their own. Tradition in Hungarian culture was that the bride went to live with her husband's family.

One last thing.  The "house number" may actually not be the number of a HOUSE but of a PROPERTY that has many dwellings on it, such as a communal farmstead. This may account for a number of surnames at that number, including the boy and girl "nextdoor" who marry.  It may also represent the property being split among descendants.

So let's take a look at HUNGARICANA DATABASES LINK TO MAPS

HUNGARICANA MAPS LINKS  There are many maps of the capital, Budapest, but an array of towns.  Don't stop looking if the place you want is not on this list. Instead run a search for the name of the town (which will probably be included in the county.)

Here are cadastral maps of Livazeny - really terrific!  See the names of the land owners and then the land they owned. HUNGARICANA - LIVAZENY  (fixed link August 14 2025)

Some maps are not of the "town" but of the agricultural land and may include plans for moving water or what crops or trees are planted.  Some of these maps include the names of the owners of that land.

Here is a map that is in LATIN and shows where the vineyards and orchards are:

MAPS HUNGARICANA MEGYE - GONC RUSKA

Delineatio praedii Klastrom I (nclito) Comit(tat) ui Abaujvari  (Latin) 

I ran a search for LIPTO County and all these came up! HUNGARICANA MAPS LIPTO  notice that when you click on the map it brings up the modern map/location.

In the next post we'll look at another MAP RESOURCE!


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Saturday, July 13, 2024

NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY DATABASES : ALWAYS UPLOADING MORE : PARISH REGISTERS and MORE




NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY FINDING AIDS :  includes links to searchable databases. 

HUNGARICANA SELECTIONS includes Lutheran Collection, Catholic Collection, Unitarian Collection, Calvinist Collection, Jewish Collection and more.

Here is the selection for Catholic Collections.

The Benedictine Order

The Franciscan Order

Diocese Archives of Gyor   

The Archdiocese Collections of Kalocsa   

Pazmany Peter Catholic University Faculty of Religious Studies.  

Szombathely Diocese Archives 

Szekesfehervar County Collections

Diocesan Circulars

Schematism of Bacs County

Saturday, September 23, 2023

CHURCH RECORDS : USING CLASS AND STATUS ON CHURCH RECORDS TO GO BACK IN TIME : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP #3

CHURCH RECORDS : USING CLASS AND STATUS ON CHURCH RECORDS TO GO BACK IN TIME : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP #3

To bring up all posts in this series click on the tag/label Gen Pro Tip : Missing ? Church Records

The following information appeared in a slightly different form in a previous post which appeared as an addition to my series on using the Urbarium of 1767. The original post appeared in September 2022.  That series should come up if you click on the label/tag Pro tips: 1767 Hungaricana Urbarium

This series on Church Records is intended to help you bridge the generations and make connections as the trail of church records seems to leave you not knowing how to proceed in your research, perhaps because the records you want are "missing."


I mentioned that sometimes you will find in birth, marriage, and other church records the profession or "status" of the person listed. On church records, particularly before 1849, you will see notations about the person's status, not just their profession, but their class status.

On the Marie Theresa census, first is listed is the owner of the estate, then the Colony, then Inquilis and then Subinqulis.  I want to expand upon that.

I mentioned that sometimes in Latin or Hungarian (and sometimes in Slovak or German) the mention of Free People or People Free To Go.  These people are usually mentioned in COLONY.  I said that people in the COLONY list are sometimes called "Perpetual People" and that meant that they came with the land, or they were "always there." 

Some of these people did indeed seem to "always" live there, but some of the Free To Go or COLONY people were what is called Castle Warriors or the nobility of the lowest nobility, or sometimes nobility of the highest but for whom there is no more land or money to go around after generations have inherited land. Theoretically a castle was established and the ancestors of these people lived within it or near it.

These great noble families may have split land, sold land, lost land, or been disenfranchised due to the slaughter by the Turks or in war with them over hundreds of years. Now on small plots of land sufficient to feed their family and sell some on the side, they may also be listed in the 1828 land census. However, they are still nobles and recognized and honored as such. 

Let's say you are dealing with COMMON surnames. However you see on church records that someone with a common surname is listed as COLONY. If you see people of the same surname on the census in the COLONY you probably have a match. Colony people owned their land, so the may be matched with the names on the 1828 Land Census. Now, if the person with the common surname is listed as a subinquilis, a person sub-renting the land to farm on, thus close to the serf-landlord relationship with that surname, we can't link them with the family with that same surname in the Colony.

WE CAN LOOK AT CHURCH RECORDS and DETERMINE WHICH PERSON or FAMILY with a COMMON SURNAME is the one that we should accept as an ancestor, when their status matches up, provided that it also works on a timeline. Developing family groups to see if the timeline also works is a good check as well. (For instance, will the couple's marriage date and the births of other children allow for the history you've proven with documents unfold?)

The profession of the man itself does not determine if they are or are not a noble.  I've seen records in which a person was listed as a noble and also that they work as a weaver or tailor. 

However in some cases professions can provide another match, such as when the father and son are listed as both being in the same profession, say one the Master Craftsman in the vineyard business and the other is in an Apprenticeship in the vineyard business. (The term Master Craftsman isn't always specific and can include someone who has a large business as well as someone who toils in it. Even some of those in agriculture - farmers - will be listed as such.)

It's not a guaranteed match, for things did happen back in the day that were not usual.  It's always possible that someone who was a servant for the landlord inherited land from him.  It's possible that the beautiful maiden of a subinquilis married the landlord. (Or that the unmarried pregnant woman, who became pregnant by the Lord of the Manner, married another man.)  However, class structure was what it was, arranged marriages between people of very different status was not usual.

Arranged marriages continued the idea that one should marry in their own class. In farming communities who married who might be a community decision. Additionally, some landlords did act as though they owned every lesser man's woman, and might want to be with a virgin before she could meet up with her new husband on his wedding night. Such conditions were akin to what happened in American slavery, not all the time, but sometimes. I wish I could say that religion prevented this but I doubt it did. Sexism, as we see it, prevailed. 

Back in that day people were born into the circumstances that would effect, if not dictate, their entire lives. To have Choice is what Freedom as all about. Declaring freedom is not the same as actually having it. 

Noting class and status on records is important and may be just the thing that helps you connect correctly to the right ancestors.

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Quick note November 2nd 2023:  It is possible for a person who is COLONY to rent land to their own child or relative. That person might be elevated to COLONY upon inheritance. The rent might have been needed or seen as a way of teaching a child responsibility.

Saturday, September 16, 2023

CHURCH RECORDS : DID THEY WALK OR CARRIAGE RIDE TO A DIFFERENT CHURCH? DIOCESE RECORDS: HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP #2

CHURCH RECORDS : DID THEY WALK OR CARRIAGE RIDE TO A DIFFERENT CHURCH? DIOCESE RECORDS:  HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP #2 

MISSING CHURCH RECORDS ?  

In the previous post of this series I mentioned that perhaps the reason there are gaps in one church's records is that the church did not exist or was closed for a time and during that time the usual parishioners went to a church in a neighboring area, usually within the same diocese. 

As well, Great Grandma might have been remarking on the Diocese she was married in, rather than the exact place where she was born or where she lived, or where she left, and it turns out there are so many churches to consider.

Research the history of the church. When did it open?  Was it closed for a period?  Was the church destroyed? Is it a working parish today?  What Diocese is it in today?  Can that Diocese tell you about the history of the church?  Do they have duplicate records or other records that would help, records that no one got permission to film?

Pragmatically, the people might have erected a small chapel rather than walk or ride every Sunday.  If they were without a horse or carriage, they might not have gone at all.   But information on them may still appear in a church or diocese record even though they didn't make the trip for a service.



This is where finding MAPS of the area about the time these ancestors seem to have gone missing on existing records, preferably at a time when they lived there, may be helpful.  

Try to find a map that was used at the time your ancestors were living there, preferably one that shows rivers, mountains, roads and railroads.  Let's see if they could walk or take a horse and carriage ride to the next inhabited place (less than five miles away). Then go into a database such as FamilySearch and see if that place brings up any church records. Some places only have Protestant Records, some also have Jewish records, so we know there were enough Protestant or Jewish people living there to have their own church or temple. Jewish people going to another place to worship and bury their dead was not at all unusual in the Old World but being able to walk there was important because Saturday was truly meant to be a day of rest.

While searching the Internet may bring up some good maps to use, we should not forget about a major source of information, and that is the National Archives of Hungary!  We go to Hungarica and then to Databases, and then to Mapire. 

Here is the link! MAPS ARCANUM

If you're researching for Hungarians in what is now Slovakia, you may find that the records are kept under present day Slovak place names, or within Slovakia itself.

Same for Romania.  Those "Saxon" towns, where people kept Germanic customs, including recipes, clothing styles, and architecture Germanic.  Romania is also where a great number of Hungarian noble families originated or lived.

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Sunday, July 16, 2023

LIPTO as a HUNGARIAN PLACE


This video presents postcards of Hungarian Lipto County, which is now Liptov, Slovakia, but still has a Hungarian majority. Beautiful mountains and interesting architecture!  Part of many a Hungarian-American's heritage. The poster, Sicambria, has some other videos up that are also interesting.

That said, for hundreds of years people of various ethnic backgrounds, Slovaks, Germans, and others, lived in this area, and many intermarried. Religious differences payed out too.  The Germans were mostly Catholics and many but not all were from Southern Germany. Some of the Slovaks were Greek Catholic, as were the Carpathian Rus (Also called Rusyns) and Ukrainians.

There are controversies over the nobility and who was or was not of original Hungarian ancestry or really Slovak or Czech.  

Lipto is an area where Bogamar, one of the sons of one of the original Magyar tribal chiefs, Hauk Palko, who came into Hungary, spawned. There are a number of surnames associated with nobility coming out of this area and those lineages. You can use Hungaricana databases for the Marie Theresa Urbariam and see.

Most Americans who are "2nd" or "3rd" generations since immigration here are mixed heritage.  I know someone who is 3rd generation on one side and 4th on the other who has claim to 16 different European ethnicities!  (What fun her genealogy searches could be!)

So I tend to think people are the ethnicity they feel themselves to be, that they feel they can relate to and feel comfortable with.  And of course, our surnames tell the world about one of our ethnicities and it is from our surnames that other people assume what our ethnic identity is.

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Saturday, May 6, 2023

HUNGARICANA DATABASES FOLK MUSIC! CHOOSE A REGION and PLAY THE MUSIC!

Check out the MUSIC!  Hear a song that your ancestors may have sung. In some cases the sheet music is also available!

https://zti.hungaricana.hu/en/

What a wonderful opportunity to hear music from the nation of Hungary!

Saturday, March 11, 2023

1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY : USING THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP # 3

1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY : USING THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP # 3


We're not totally dependent on FamilySearch (or any other database in the United States of America) to find the records that are originally sourced from Hungary.  We have the use of HUNGARICANA which is the database that originates in the country of Hungary and is a function of the National Archives in that country. The archives hold military records that go beyond what we've just looked at in the FamilySearch catalog.

HUNGARICANA cultural portal   You will see a number of database categories on this start page.

I put the words "military 1876" into the search and up came a number of readable books that are in English...  I know that the language presents difficulties for those who are not native in it... I know that personally, so I don't want those of you who never had or lost the language to be totally deterred from doing Hungarian research... search using English words and see what comes up!

THIS LINK TAKES YOU TO A BOOK IN ENGLISH THAT WILL TELL YOU WHERE MILITARY RECORDS CAN BE FOUND IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY...

https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/MALE_Sk_2006_mo-i_leveltarak_angol/?query=military%201867&pg=0&layout=s  


ARCHIVES HUNGARICANA HU - LIST  See the links to other regional archives.



Few genealogy projects are entirely dependent on military records. So, if you do not find the men in your family, who most likely did have to serve that two years on these records, don't feel too bad. I’m personally chasing down an ancestor because of a note on a marriage record that he was in the reserves and the man was born in 1850.

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Wednesday, March 3, 2021

NOBILITY IN YOUR HUNGARIAN FAMILY? DOCUMENTS : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #4

NOBILITY IN YOUR HUNGARIAN FAMILY? DOCUMENTS : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #4

What are the first indications that your ancestors were considered to be noble, besides family rumors? 

A notation in a birth, marriage, or death record.

A story: This reminds me of someone I was related to through marriage. I offered to share my research on the line I shared with her spouse and children. I knew that they had been raised with no knowledge of that line because she and her family dominated, and they had been raised to think of themselves as all Italian. 

"Oh no!" she said, waving me off. "There's no need for you to do the research. My cousin did ours all the way back to Queen Antoinette!"

Did she mean Marie Antoinette of France? (Daughter of Marie Theresa?) The "Let them eat cake" Queen who had no children who lived long enough to mate?

Perhaps she meant a noble woman named Antoinette in Southern Italy? I sensed a genealogy confabulation and couldn't help myself. I had to start researching to find their link to any Queen even if she had no interest. 

I discovered their heritage was Sephardic Jewish in Salonika, Greece, and then into Italy with significant marriages between first cousins. The move wasn't recent, so they appeared in Catholic Church records. I never did find a Queen. There was an Italian noble woman whose estate was kind and accepting to Jewish people in the town that the ancestors left in Italy but that surname didn't show up in their lines. Perhaps a story of a kind noble woman who lived on a hill seeped into their family?

Moral of the story?

Don't fake your Genealogy. 

(It's said that 40 % of Italians have Jewish roots. Watching the genealogy series Finding Your Roots, the episode on fashion designer Diane Von Furstenberg's Jewish roots reminded me of this ex relative. DVF also has Salonika roots.)

So, Americans with Hungarian roots depend on the existing church records available for free at FamilySearch which are also part of the Slovak collection. Settlements appear under their Slovak names there. Although it says that Protestant and Jewish records are included, after many years I question that. The headings on columns tend to be in Latin and the handwriting language is in Latin and /or Hungarian. Or a mix - some German.

Due to a recent search for the baptism of someone who just is not coming up in Roman Catholic records I found a new resource based in Hungary. The web site is oskereso.hu and it is birth/Christening, marriage and death records collected by the Hungarian Evangelical Church, (Lutheran). I found the translation interesting. Progenitor Research. Motherly birth certificate? Scan for villages and it appears that where there's an Evangelical Church, there are records. Hidasnemeti, for instance.

I have only found notations that someone marrying a Roman Catholic was Greek Catholic or Jewish a few times in Roman Catholic records and the name appears only due to the intermarriage. Further, as I have, in microfilm days, read Jewish records and Greek Catholic records, they were separate congregations and records/ films. So maybe it's just that my research using the online database hasn't lead to even Protestant records. (Family search has a Reform Baptism Index which doesn't seem to work for me.)

However, it is true that until there were civil records, church records were where birth/ baptism, marriage and death records were kept, and I imagine everyone had to be affiliated with a congregation to be in records. Likely if you lived in the forest or way up on the mountain you might not get to church too often. 

One of my friends deep into her pre–Colonial American research tells me her grandmother's sister was born at home and no birth certificate meant difficulty in getting a driver's license. 

A noble with a private estate and entourage might not go into the village or mix with the commoners to be baptized or married or have a funeral. Unless he or she had built the church maybe. They had private chapels and visits from priests and church dignitaries. Therefore, ecclesiastical records or private estate papers in archives are needed. It's time to seek information through an archive or try Hungaricana.

Considering that nobility privilege was abolished 1848, you'll find that priests were still writing in "nemes", or "nobilis" or notes suggesting a parent is of this status after that. It does not mean they have wealth. But why then would the priest bother to write it in?

Before government funded social welfare systems, there was a strong emphasis on marriage and being ready financially to be married. Women were born into their job descriptions and prepared for the role of woman; bearing children, raising them, and being closer to home to perform household work. A woman might plant and tend a home garden and feed chickens and milk cows. Like Colonial American women, they did what we'd think of as difficult hard labor. They might participate in harvest as well. (There were women who tended farmer's market stands and peddled in towns.)

Men were in charge of supporting wives and children - the traditional work outside the home. In the 19th century the definition of a orphan was a fatherless child. It was understood a child needed a daddy.

A commoner man usually prepared to be a master craftsman or to continue in agriculture or travel for trade. While individuals, families, or communities might lend some support, such as women sharing childcare or all looking after village children, or a just married couple living in the same cottage on a farm, there was no government program to depend on. The facts of life were all around them. 

Religion and culture demanded that first came marriage to a man who could support a family, then children. Young men grew up knowing what was expected of them. A woman was taking a major risk in pregnancy without marriage. I have seen it time and time again in church records, the deaths of babies born to single mothers within months of birth. Yes, children died more quickly in general and women died in childbirth more frequently too - infection, childhood diseases - but all those little handwritten crosses on the birth records are telling. 

This is why the priest wrote in notes about the groom's professional or "condition" / finances and why godparents (and marriage witnesses) were also called "testifiers." This was a reaffirmation of support. However illegitimate children and their mothers were at a distinct disadvantage because people took care of their own first and honestly, some of these babies starved to death.

It's sometimes possible for you to discover that a woman who had a child without marriage then does marry. I always hope the father of her first child was the man she married. That it's a love story.

Why with so much understanding of the need for a husband fit for marriage and pressure to conform were women still having illegitimate children?

We can rarely know the circumstances for certain but rape by soldiers, travelers, and employers - including noble employers - and affairs with married men wasn't unheard of. Poor or unmarried women without family turned to living in as servants and some became prostitutes. People had affairs though it must have been difficult in small settlements to keep it secret. I've also seen "father in America" in notations. 

Let's say you see an illegitimate birth on a church record, the woman is a servant, and the godparents are nobility. Very likely the woman lived in their household. A noble woman may have had higher status than her common neighbors, but she wasn't ruling the roost.

It would be wrong of me not to mention the plight of some of our female ancestors and relatives and the fact that a DNA test might link you to nobility rather than a trail of documents.

Now, another possible way to suspect wealth and / or nobility is when the couple getting married are younger than the usual craftsman apprentice. Nobles sometimes arranged marriage at a distance and sent along a 13- or 14-year-old bride to be raised in her mother in law's household. The groom could be as young, a couple years older, or a much older widowed noble. In 19th century records I've seen 15- and 16-year-old noble brides. Why besides allegiances, fertility, and presumed health?

Because there is money enough to support the family without having to become an apprentice or worker. (Don't be too shocked to see daughters of immigrants to America also marrying that young. There was no time for teenagerhood or extended immaturity. 

That said, you will find there are plenty of impoverished "landless gentry" who had to work. Many went to cities to take government jobs.

If you do find nobility of the higher estate owning type in your heritage, be open to the possibility of linking to a great many other nobles! And to evidence of more travel and movement. The girl next door or the next village is for people who don't get too far from home.

Cherish notes and translate them!

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Saturday, February 27, 2021

NOBILITY IN YOUR HUNGARIAN FAMILY? ETHNICITY and USING HUNGARICANA : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #3

NOBILITY IN YOUR HUNGARIAN FAMILY? ETHNICITY and USING  HUNGARICANA : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #3

The lists and books mentioned in the first and second posts of this series here at MAGYAR AMERICAN BlogSpot are not the only resources a researcher seeking nobility in the family can use and that's a good thing except for the difficulty in finding these resources in America or being able to read handwritten Hungarian documents which you can find in Hungary through the National Archives in Budapest or the user-friendly Hungaricana (a searchable database website also based in Hungary). And believe me, I've asked people who grew up reading, writing, and speaking Hungarian to look at print outs of old documents and read them for me and they gave up.

Let's face it. All languages change and evolve. Shakespeare's 16th century English is not ours and 16th century Hungarian isn't today's. Some of the documents are Medieval and sloppy and it's almost a miracle they still exist. If you can print out and make your way through an old document that was written by dipping a pen into ink and on precious paper or animal skin called vellum and sealed / notarized with red wax pressed with an official icon of a family crest, you will be proud of yourself and possibly rewarded with information.

We know that in 1920 Hungary was punished for World War I and lost 2/3rds of its territory. (I suppose punished is expressing an opinion but it's not an original one.) Some of the noble relatives you seek that we call Hungarian would be living in Slovakia or Romania if they remained on their ancestral estates today. Some of the descendants of old families are going back to renew or re-establish their estates.

First, what is an American ethnicity?

Therein you have an answer as to what was a Hungarian ethnicity. If you go back in your research successfully, you may find that way back in the day the "Hungarian" noble family was not identified as Hungarian by themselves or others, and I don't just mean Germans. German commoners were coming in after the Mongol Invasion and in waves after that and one family with a German, sometimes Jewish surname was established in Upper Hungary by the 17th century.

I mean that incoming to Hungary were Croation, Italian, Spanish, French, and Jewish people and some were or became nobles. 

I know there were colonies of Greeks, Italians, French, and Russians who settled in wine making areas. Why just import, why not grow? Some surnames translate to "Italian" - Olasz - or "Croation" - Horvat or "German" - Nemet.

So. Just as I'm an American but can also say I'm Hungarian -American, such a person back in the day could say they were Hungarian or Croation -Hungarian.

Reading around this subject, I became aware that there's controversy about Slovak nobles versus Hungarian nobles in Slovakia. There are groups of people who not only want to learn the truth of origins or heritage, it's become political. Some people are so upset with Democracy they want to have Kings (and Queens?) rule again.

If interested, there's presently a group called the Slovak Aristocracy Association and also a group for recognizing Carpathian nobility. (Sounds like a broader viewpoint.) There's also a group in Hungary that wants to return to recognizing Hungarian nobility and use of titles. Should you prove your heritage is noble, you might want to see about qualifying for these groups or joining as an interested person.

There's also a discussion about nobles back in history turning Hungarian names into Slovak or "Slavic" names. When I find szke endings turned into ski or sky, I wonder. 

One article I read argued so what if Hungarians Slavified their names while living among Slovaks, so what they were still Hungarian.  (And visa versa!)

Well, so many people have "Americanized" their names for various reasons and I don't find that suspicious.

My Questions:

How does/did the person self-identify? We should respect that.

What religion is/ were they? (Greek Orthodox more likely in Ruthenian or Slovak heritage but by 1900 one report stated 18% intermarriage between Roman and Greek Catholics. If your research takes you into the Carpathian Mountains there's many a Ruthenian (Rusyn) village there in what is now Slovakia. Nyitra County is now in Czech lands.

What language/s did they speak?

Where was the family stead when they were the landowner? What was the country called then? (You'll find Barons who owned land in multiple counties so it may be difficult to know from where they emerged. Generally, if the village was named after a family, it must have been theirs or they must have been in charge of it at some point.)

No doubt Hungarian settlements in the Kassa region of Slovakia or Transylvania region of Romania were /are real, even if ethnic Slovaks or Romanians were or are surrounding. People did business and socialized so the ethnic groups were not isolated or ghettoized. Like first generation immigrants into the United States, they preferred to live among others with the same languages, culture or life ways.

If a person left the Austrian Empire, what did they report on the steamship coming to America? Their native language and personal ethnic identity. Hungarian. And on their naturalization paperwork does it not say they gave up Austria, rather than Hungary? (Some are more detailed. For instance some say Austria Polish.)

So another way to look at this is from a research point of view. Hungarians who were living in Hungary, say Lipto County, up there on the Polish border of the Carpathian Mountains (where Ruthenians lived too) may or may not be Slovak but the documents that include them may be preserved in one or both countries. Original records made in Hungary. (For instance, the LDS/ FamilySearch database has church records for previous Hungarian Counties in the Slovak collection.)

Also, we tend to go past the name of the priest who wrote it all in. He may be writing in Latin or with a Latin twist. I find names such as Luby and Barran in Hungarian and Polish Austria records. 

Just to make life more interesting, some Hungarians moved to Poland and the Ukraine when Galicia existed as part of the Austrian Empire. Or just because. (Example: Hungarian noble Bathory is Batory in Poland.)

Borders weren't what they are today. People just walked or horse rode the paths or farm roads. While I see that in an attempt to unify people or homogenize culture in the past, people have been expected to give up language and culture, I tend to think people are stronger economically when cooperative. 

So you may just find your research, nobility or common, takes you outside changing borders and ethnic definitions (and assumptions) for this and one other reason. Nobles intermarried across ethnic or national identity. Status and wealth and power were more important and sometimes arranged marriage was for the purpose of political alliance as well. (Think about that as you watch the reality show Married At First Sight!) Your noble ancestors' records may exist in more than one country and even take you around Europe or the world!

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This post is part of a series on Hungarian Nobility research. It is based on the knowledge I've acquired over many years of reading, research, and experience. To pull up the series click on the tag Gen Tips - Hungarian Nobility in the Family