TITLED NOBILITY OF EUROPE BOOK includes SOME HUNGARIAN NOBILITY

GOOGLE BOOKS - TITLED NOBILITY OF EUROPE by Melville Amadeus Henry Douglas Heddie de la Caillemotte de Massue de Ruvigny Ruvigny and Raineval (9th Marquis of). The book from Google Books can be scanned, so you might try the town or the surname and see what comes up. There are very few Hungarians listed but there is so little on Hungary and Hungarians in English overall, it's worth a try.  Also some Hungarian nobility married into German and other houses of Europe and exist today as such.  

I've added this book to my sidebar under Genealogy.

HUNGARY's "GREAT WALL" AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION : CHRISTIAN VALUES EXPLOITED?

One article on Hungary's policy of anti illegal immigration, in particular the massive number of refugees from war-torn parts of the middle east, said Hungary is building a Great Wall, bringing to mind THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA, which was built to keep "Barbarians" called the Mongols, out. You may recall that there is DNA evidence as well as oral histories of the historical invasion of the Mongols into Hungary.  I myself believe I have some Mongolian or Asian DNA.

Is Prime Minster Viktor Orban RIGHT when he says that if the refugees will not stop coming and that their sheer numbers will CHANGE THE CULTURES OF THE COUNTRIES THEY RESIDE IN.  Well, I think so.  Hungary currently fits into the United States state of Indiana.  Imagine if millions of people attempted to go live in Indiana.

The fact is that there are people all around the world that wish they were somewhere else, people who would have a better life if they moved somewhere else, but when you are a refugee and you KNOW you are taking your life, possibly the life of your whole family, at risk with travel and all else, JUST FOR THE CHANCE that you will defy odds and find a way to make your living.  Though desperate, you still must consider that, wherever you end up, you may have to change to fit in.  Granted, you may have no idea what really the realities are, what the sacrifices will be to have the benefits, until you are already in a refugee camp, or living in a country where the weather is too cold for you. But such is the situation for many, who find themselves just existing and waiting.

FARKAS - 18th CENTURY DANCES from OLD HUNGARY - QUINTET WIEN

Farkas - 18th Century Dances from Old Hungary - Quintett Wien

Thought this would be good listening while you explore that URBARIUM 1767 - or do your Hungarian-American genealogy research and family history writing.

HUNGARIAN URBARIUM 1767 : GETTING THROUGH THE REPORTAGE FROM INQUIRY :TIP #12

Please read updates as of June 2019. These posts are popular and have been edited to include more information for genealogy and family history writers.

As I did early in my URBARIUM 1767 genealogy research tips, I encourage you to imagine the census taker and his entourage on horseback - with or without carriage - making it through roads that are almost all rural (and in towns may still be muddy and rutted by the wheels of carts) and generally unmarked - surveying the landscape and even giving names to places that may not have had official names based on the way the topography looked. He will travel ruggedly over a rural country, slowly by today's standards, and finding accommodations along the way will be important to his well being.

Imagine him coming towards a huge estate, perhaps owned or used by one of the wealthiest nobles in the country who also owns estates in other places - towns - villages - counties - in the country, which is a far vaster Hungary than there exists today. Serfs and others who live on the land may warn him or his retainers that the census taker is coming and they might even be in cahoots with him to not tell the whole truth about what he owns.(Note on the URBARIUM the testimonials may also be witnessed by and sealed (with wax) by local dignitaries, if the town has one, such as a judge.)

The census taker sits down to have a conversation with the noble or his estate manager - it's an interrogation - and during this time it's not just his observations but also the testimony of the land owner that will be written down. If you are like me you scan this portion looking for important and recognizable names, maybe print it out, hoping that you will be able to pick through it, maybe some time when you wake up at three in the morning!

There is a POSSIBLE solution to this dilemma, and on this I must say Google as a search engine and Google translate are very helpful.

I get comments on this blog that I consider to be spam because they are usually someone warning against using Google or any other translation and instead hiring a Hungarian and English speaker. For the English speaker, however, I think using these is best to start. (And the translation may seem awkward but you'll get what's being communicated!)

Using the search engine, put in the words Urbarium Hungaricana and then the TOWN NAME. And up will come an opportunity to use the Google Translator.  Accept it. Sure some words will translate too literally, for instance a surname that also means a profession.  You can always go back to the original handwritten book, if what you read in English intrigues you.

I put in the words Urbarium Hungaricana Forro (a small town) 
and here is what came up: ARCHIVES HUNGARICANA HUNGARY - FORRO TRANSLATION OF FRONT PAGE

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PURDUE - LINK TO HUNGARIAN NOBILITY SURNAMES LIST

PURDUE DOCS - HUNGARIAN NOBILITY SURNAMES

This link has been on my sidebar under GENEALOGY for some time but it bears repeating.  It is a list, not an index, and does not lead to further explanations or genealogy charts, but it will peak your curiosity. 

VACRATOT BOTANICAL GARDEN - QUITE POSSIBLY THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GARDEN IN HUNGARY

DAILY NEWS HUNGARY - Vácrátót Botanical Garden - PHOTOS

This National Botanical Garden is possibly the most beautiful in all of Hungary. 180+ years of development and a refurbishing in 1952, with hundreds of native plants as well as those that grow in the Rocky Mountains of the United States....and harsh climate plants from the Russian steppes, Central-Asian mountains, and other places that those nomadic tribes that became the Hungarians once traveled through or lived. It's been open to the public since 1961. It's in Pest County, and in the town there is also a historic church built in the 1700's. 

SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE THAT CIGARETTE: HUNGARIAN STEREOTYPES and THE CURRENT RULES ABOUT SMOKING

 

DAILY NEWS HUNGARY by Gergely Lajtai-Szabo  -  the rules and regulations on buying tobacco, selling tobacco, advertising tobacco products, and so on prove that Hungary has gone anti-smoking!

EXCERPT: Forbidden areas: A couple of years ago, Hungary joined those countries that have made the regulations concerning smoking stricter, so smoking is forbidden in public institutions and catering units.  It means that schools, state offices and other state institutions (like theaters) are off limits for smoking... 

Perhaps instead of the stereotype of Hungarians (especially  if they are women spies) smoking everywhere they go - cigarettes - pipes - cigars - we must now consider that Hungarians who smoke are probably only doing so in their private homes or apartments?!

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HUNGARIAN URBARIUM 1767 : PERPETUAL PEOPLE and OTHER STATUS And USING THE URBARIUM TO CLARIFY SPELLING OF NAMES Genealogy Tip #11

Please read updates as of June 2019. These posts are popular and have been edited to include more information for genealogy and family history writers.

I came back from two days of travel exhausted and lay in bed with my cell phone, using the National Archives of Hungary to scan through the Urbarium 1767, the census of landholders and their properties. (Hungaricana site has the databases.) I had unearthened some family charts that I'd constructed over a decade ago that had two features, first the testimony from a relative written in a letter that I used to make a chart. Reading it over, I was now cognitive of the errors, coming from inaccurate memory of my first informant but also misspellings. I am grateful that this relative took the time to write it all out as it inspired me to focus on the project. She was quite old and had arthritis in her hands that made writing difficult and I'm so appreciative of her effort.

Then a chart made via research. In one case I'm not sure I can go back another generation because in one small town three girls were born with the same name within 3 years and on the wedding of the person I think to be my ancestor, well, she is over the age of 21 based on birth records, but on her marriage it says she is 20. So is this the right one?  

20 or 21 years old, the girl is not yet a spinster, so I can't reason that she would have -so young- taken a year or so off her age. Perhaps the priest who wrote the information was hasty. Anything could have happened.  And something that could have happened is that yet another girl with the same name could have come from another place, perhaps a close-by farmstead. 

These charts have notes to myself all over them but as I looked at it with distance, I realized there was another factor that convinced me I had the right girl, and that was in this case her mother's name and hers are the same as the oldest daughter I could find in a big family.

I decided to use the National Archives database on the Urbarium to relook at the surname.  I realized that I might not have mentioned HOW to do this for my readers.  Simply, go to the ADVANCED SEARCH option.

Now, in the case of this young woman whose marriage I'm not sure of, there is also the fact that I found about a dozen different spellings of the surname, and two of these spellings are very close. Considering Latin, Hungarian, Slovak, German - priests with various educations if, indeed, they were the ones handwriting in records. Considering that spellings of surnames were not stable. Considering also that one of these spellings shows up in books of nobility and arms. Well, in ADVANCED SEARCH at Hungaricana, you will find that spelling suggestions come up which might clarify the surname a bit for you.

Once you have found a landowner's name you go to the handwritten pages that are the census. These names are NOT indexed so you will have to read the handwriting - or try to.

And you will notice in Latin the word PERPETUAL, a list of people who are on the land, usually farming it, sometimes providing a service in a building.  

What a PERPETUAL PERSON on the land meant is:
1) The person remains there because they have for a long time, the idea that they have "always" been there, that their presence is accepted. In Medieval times the word mean Permanent.
2) They may have been given the privilege a long time ago.  As a present, as a reward (for military service or some other feat that served the landowner's family), and they or the family may have come with the land when the land was given or purchased by the landowner.  They may also be a poor relative, even of noble origin.
3) You will notice these people are listed before any other people on the land, as the understanding is that they are thus more important than some others.
4) Generally, these people may even have some noble heritage but are of the poor nobility.  A class or status is implied.
5) They may still pay rent which may or may not be considered reasonable.
6) Perpetuals fall under "Customary Practice."

You may want to read : UCL THESIS ON LAND REFORM and the HUNGARIAN PEASANT   by Robert William Benjamin Gray circa 2009 as his thesis for a PHD in Britain at UCL-SC   VERY INTERESTING.

EXCERPT: This thesis examines the nature of lord-peasant relations in the final stages of Hungarian seigneurialism, dating roughly from 1700 to the emancipation of the peasantry in 1848. It investigates how the terms of the peasants’ relations with their lords, especially their obligations and the rights to the land they farmed, were established, both through written law and by customary practice. It also examines how the reforms of this period sought to redefine lord-peasant relations and rights to landed property. Under Maria Theresa land reform had been a means to protect the rural status quo and the livelihood of the peasantry: by the end of the 1840s it had become an integral part of a liberal reform movement aiming at the complete overhaul of Hungary’s ‘feudal’ social and economic system.

This post has been edited and added to since first publication:

Although it is not always apparent due to comparative wealth, after the Perpetual People, the lists are ranked in order of status. Thus, the Villeins have higher status than the Inquilinus, and the Inquilinus have higher status than the Subinquilinus.


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BABY SUSSEX - ARCHIE HARRISON MOUNTBATTEN - WINDSOR BORN - GETTING BACK INTO MY PERSONAL HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY

The birth of "Baby Sussex" to Prince Harry and Los Angeles born and raised Meghan Markle, also known as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (Great Britain), this morning, became a world wide news event and one I was following. After all, Ms. Markle was born and raised in Los Angeles. She's into Yoga. She loves her mom. And, like it or not, she comes with the another side of the family that seems uncouth in their willingness to cash in through becoming news themselves. Of course, that she is biracial and that their child will be about one quarter of African heritage is interesting too. Although these days there are articles that state that it's possible that more than one of Harry's ancestors was of East Indian descent or African descent via the Moors of Portugal.

Reading around Baby Sussex, I started reading around about royalty and nobility, in magazines such as Hello, Vanity Fair, and so on.

And I got back into my own personal Hungarian Genealogy.

Although every few months I check to see what's new on certain genealogy databases and certain websites, I unearthed some hand drawn charts, that I did years ago.

Some of the surnames on them are the surnames of nobility though I cannot say my particular lineages ever were. The search for a noble ancestor is also a search to continue following a line since so much more information was collected and kept regarding nobility than common folk. 

On this blog I list a number of informational links on the sidebar, if you're interested in finding a Hungarian-American Club, Museum, or learn more about Hungarian history and culture.

My ancestors who came to America were humble and hardworking people, so I'm not Putting On The Ritz.

BENEDICTINES

HUNGARIAN URBARIUM 1767 features many properties owned by the Benedictines who were influential in many parts of Hungary.

HUNGARIAN FLOWER LANGUAGE - JUST IN TIME FOR BUYING A BOUQUET - - APRIL SHOWERS BRING MAY FLOWERS

I've been aware that the Victorians (English) had their own language of flowers in which various blooms and colors conveyed emotions in a more romantic and perhaps subtle way than blurting out something better left not obvious.  

But what of the HUNGARIANS? 

I did a little research on this and if you're Hungarian, or in a relationship with a Hungarian, you definitely do not want to follow another ethnic groups flower language.   Officially this study is called floriography.  

Culled from a number of informational web sites, here it is:

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FUNERALS :  White lilies, roses in white, pink or red shades, and chrysanthemums, especially white, are the flowers to present. Never give "mums" for other occasions.  Red roses mean your love for the person will never end.  White flowers woven into a wreath...

OVERALL : Avoid giving 13 flowers in any bouquet which is considered unlucky. Always give a number that is uneven.  Even numbers of flowers are considered unlucky.

ROMANCE : 

Daffodils mean that you want more than friendship.
White carnations tell a person that you consider yourself uncommitted to them. Yellow tulips represent unrequited love.  (Throw those in with some daffodils and you are communicating that you are really hurting without her!)  Yellow roses used to mean jealousy but now mean that you are friends. (Thus yellow roses with white carnations are a way to tell someone you are breaking with them but want to remain friendly.)

TULIPS, the national flower, are almost always good to give in colors, particularly pink, and add a touch of sincerity to your bouquet.  (Mixed in with lilies and the giver is thinking about marrying his love!)

ROSES are also almost always good, especially pink - happy ones.  Red and white roses mixed in a bouquet mean harmony, as in a unified relationship.  But do not give roses for a first date in Hungary.  That's just too serious.

LILACS : White for innocence, purple for the beginnings of love.

SUNFLOWERS :  Always cheery, a good flower to include in a friendly bouquet or as a house warming gift.

DAISIES : Also friendly and good for gift giving.

WILD or FIELD FLOWERS : Happiness: Also friendly and good for gift giving.  Include into this category any flowers that are in orange colors.

PEONIES - the rose without thorns.  An excellent flower to decorate church. Associated with lasting and happy marriage.  Also associated with prosperity.  Thus a perfect flower for romance and weddings.

BABY's BREATH - popular in the United States as a "filler" : don't use it.  Filler should be healthy and green.

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