Saturday, February 26, 2022

GENEALOGY PRO RESEARCH TIPS HERE AT MAGYAR AMERICAN BLOGSPOT : THANKYOU TO GENETEKA and for GOOGLE BLOGGER and GOOGLE TRANSLATOR

Friends, I love genealogy research and providing some tips based on my personal experiences is also a labor of love. In some way being able to use Covid-19 enforced downtime allowed me to pick my personal research back up and I've been lucky and determined to find ancestors I've been seeking.  Then I'm able to share with you!

At this time, I want to thank those GENETEKA volunteer indexers for making this latest research possible without having to travel to Poland possible.

There are very many GENEALOGY SUBJECTS COVERED HERE AT MAGYAR-AMERICAN BLOGSPOT, which is made possible through my own efforts, of course, but also the free GOOGLE BLOGGER so thanks also to Google!  My exploration of what it is to be Hungarian- American began because of my genealogy and family history and historical research years ago.

By the way, I've found the Google Translator to be superior to the Microsoft-Bing Translator.

The sidebar has links to a good number of interesting and helpful sites as well. 

HERE ARE THE TAGS/LABELS FOR BRINGING UP SERIES OF TOPICS COVERED HERE:


SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS IN DOCUMENTING HUNGARIAN WOMEN
 uses the tag/label Pro Tips-Hungary-Women and this icon.  This series posted in

 September 2014.


HUNGARIAN NOBILITY IN THE FAMILY
 
uses the tag 
Pro Tips - Hungarian Nobility in the Family and this icon:  The series started on: February 20, 2021




1828 HUNGARIAN CENSUS (AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE) HELP uses the tag  Pro tips:1828 Hungarian Census Help and this icon.  The series started April 3, 2020







THE 1767 URBARIUM (MARIA THERESA CENSUS) FOR HUNGARY uses the tag Pro tips: 1767 Hungaricana Urbarium, and this icon. The series started on January 23, 2017 and the started back up May 8, 2019.  I'm proud of the work I did on this long series.






USING FAMILYSEARCH FOR HUNGARIAN RESEARCH uses the tag : Pro tips: FamilySearch for Hungarian Genealogy
FamilySearch boasts having the world's greatest resources, but the lesson still is that there is much more out there than has been collected by any one database. This series started June 19 2019.





GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH
 uses the tag:  Pro Genealogy Tips - Galicia This series started January 2022

Just a note that there were intermarriages between Hungarians and Polish people (as well as other ethnic people) and this was more true if the people were nobles and the closer to the borders they lived. I found Hungarian names on Polish church records and Geneteka is highly dependent on church records.


 



1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY


This series began on   ------   2023.  To bring it up use the lable



Thursday, February 24, 2022

Tuesday, February 22, 2022

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE POLES AND THE HUNGARIANS...

JSTOR GALICIA THE POLES AND HUNGARIANS  Just want you all to know that if you can get into JSTOR through your local library (university libraries usually subscribe) you can read this paper by Bela. K. Kiraly... the two countries had a traditionally friendly relationship...


Saturday, February 19, 2022

#6 THE VALUE OF READING NAMES OF WITNESS TO MARRIAGES and EXTREME GENEALOGY: GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENBASE for RESEARCH


There are good reasons to collect information from the original source document, which you can usually link to via a scan - either directly to that document or to the archive that holds it.  

Now some of you may know I've been accused of "extreme genealogy," but it has paid off for me.

We have to be careful because of our modern concept of "godparents." Often we think this should be another married couple or at least one woman and one man who have been chosen to be there for the spiritual guidance of the child, especially if one or both of the parents are unable to do this at some time in the future.  However, this is an honorific role and many people never get any special attention from their godparents at all.  (And today in some churches the godparents can be two men or two women who may or may not be married.)

In Hungarian records you often see up to four men signing off on a marriage. In baptism you do often see a man and a woman chosen, who may or may not be married or related.

Be aware that sometimes witnesses are not people who are related at all or may have no special interest in the people involved other than that they are fellow parishioners. Some of these witnesses were simply people who were pious or at the church a lot - or people who were old and retired and could be depended on to show up.

In small villages everyone was working hard and long hours and a baptism or marriage were certainly important events because of the religious significance of them, but they might not get the attention or the expense some of us give these events now.

This was also the case in churches where recent ethnic immigrants went to get married in the United States. Even in some Catholic churches, a couple could present themselves to the priest and be married very simply - without a Mass or attendees.  (Married in the priest or minister's office - not much fanfare - in the middle of the week too!  Almost a civil marriage but for the setting, the officiant, and the blessing.)

Reading the witnesses of a marriage, look through several years of marriages at least to see if there is a repetition of names. You might ask yourself why so and I will get to that in a moment.

When you get into the 19th century records or before, you will notice that priests list their names and often have a distinctive handwriting. This is the name of the priest who performed the ceremony. Check to see if the church still exists and what it's patron saint or name is and what the history of the church is.  You may also be able to learn more about the priest and the Holy Order or Denomination he belonged to.

There may also be banns of marriage dates and notes.  It's fun to see what day of the week the marriage occurred. The notes I've read seem to be a repetition of what appears in the columns.  Look, however for words that indicate a SPECIAL DISPENSATION has been given so that the couple can marry.  This means that there was some concern that they should not be married. Some reasons for a special dispensation would be that one or both people are not in good standing with that church for some reason, such as perhaps one of them never shows up at church for services or that one of them is of a different religion, or that there is known to be or suspected to be a too close genetic relationship - such as first cousins. Generally, a special dispensation was not needed because of a wide age difference or because one of them recently lost a spouse. Sometimes if the bride was 16 or less, some consideration had to be given.  (The priest may write that the person is 15 1/2. as if he is proving they are almost 16.) I have seen some questions about the purity (celibacy) on the archival records. (!) It's true that a priest could decide he will not marry someone because they have not been virginial.  (You wonder how those illegitimate children ever got baptized.)  Another reason for the bans of marriage was to broadcast the intention in the communities of both the bride and groom in case there are objections such as that the person is already married or one of them is considered unsuitable for the purposes of marriage, such as reproducing. (Being simple might be one of those if it was the man but less so if it was the woman.)

POLISH ALHABET PRINTED

Source Wiki

The few lines that are in the marriage or baptismal archival document, believe it or not, stand to uphold legalities such as inheritance rights.

When you see that the same men are signing off on a marriage, it's as if the elders or other important people in the community - nobles or public officials - are signing a legal document.  The marriage may have been a match with the community goals and land ownership the prime reason for the match rather than love.  (If the name is noble, you might want to research to find out if that person owns the town!)

If you find the actual signature of your ancestor as a witness on someone else's marriage(s) check to see if the handwriting is that of the priest or their very own!  That the person knows how to sign their name indicates that they are of a higher educational level than most people in that place and time though that might be the equivalent of our first grade in school. (Even nobles did not always learn to read and write since that was something a servant scribe could do.) It can be thrilling to find the actual pen and ink signature of an ancestor because they witnessed and signed off on this legal document - marriage.

Sometimes the godparents or the witnesses to a marriage also have a bit of pressure on them because the parents of the child are his or her employees and it's a way to verify financial ability to be married.

*I once saw the same couple as godparents on the repetitive illegitimate births of an unmarried woman and I could not help but think that she was a servant in their home and that the husband was probably the father and that his wife knew all about it. 

Another thing to do is to watch the house numbers. It's understood that houses as we know them today and houses that average people lived in during the 19th century and before are very different. No indoor plumbing. No running hot water. Heat provided only by the oven in the dwelling or maybe a fireplace or two. Several families or extended families and servants or workers inside - sometime in the winter with the horse, sheep, and the cow too - the body heat counted on to help them all withstand the cold. Sometimes though seeing the same house number associated with surnames does indicate relationships.

Using this method with Hungarian records, I was able to determine that before 1867 my lineage did not live in a certain village and the name of the family who had been there first.  Actually, they lived in the next village over but it took a census to determine that.

I wish you all the best of luck as you do all the right things to trace your roots. Leaps of intuition and synchronicities do happen, and some people believe also that the ancestors in the next world are ambitious for you to find them on those records.  So, say a little prayer of acknowledgement and thanks.

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Thursday, February 17, 2022

BEST NEW POLISH COOKBOOK! FRESH FROM POLAND by MICHAL KORKOSZ (It's Vegetarian!)

We're not opposed to trying new recipes or other ethnicity's cuisine are we?  

Now that libraries are reopened in my area, I went wild borrowing new books.  I have a stack of fifteen from two different libraries and this old book worm is slowly making her way through them. On the new book shelf I found this cookbook and a a couple others that focus on Polish cooking.  This one is the best.

Perhaps I needed to be awakened to the possibilities of pierogi. 

 These recipes all have a little twist to them, a little update, and Pierogi with Sauerkraut, Mushrooms, and Candied Orange Zest which is suggested for the Christmas holidays but too bad that's past, is delicious. What about goat cheese, spinach, and roasted almonds as a filling?  Oh I do so want to try several of the recipes and I'm not vegetarian!


Saturday, February 12, 2022

MARISKA HARGITAY JOYFUL HEART FOUNDATION : LOVE SOMEONE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW

JOYFUL HEART FOUNDATION   "When Mariska Hargitay started playing Oliva Benson on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, the content of the scripts, as well as the work she did to prepare for the role, opened her eyes to the staggering statistics about sexual assault, domestic violence, and child abuse in the United States.  She received hundreds, then thousands of letters and emails from survivors disclosing their stories of abuse, many for the first time.  She wanted to answer - really answer - those letters, to address the suffering they described, and honor acts of courage they represented.

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Seems to me this is a good time to donate to help someone you don't even know and maybe some you do.



Monday, February 7, 2022

HEROINE OF HUNGARY

 


Apolinia Jagella
She cared for the wounded during the "Hungarian War" and came to
the United States to visit, where she was applauded, but for her it was an exile.

Saturday, February 5, 2022

#5 MULTIPLE NAMES ON BIRTH RECORDS and ETHNICITY : GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH


In the United States the typical child was given two names, a first and a middle, before their surname. In some families you might find naming has to do with honoring a father or other family member.

However, it is unusual in Old Polish/Latin records for most children who were baptized to be given two names. This is not just because a person was born humble, a peasant or poor, which may be indicated by the term 'rustic' or 'Ag' = Agriculture = a farmer.  (Not all farmers were poor.  You may have to find out if they are tenant farmers or subcontractors.)

When a Christian child reached the time to be Confirmed, they got to choose a name for themselves, which was repeated by the priest or bishop who was performing the Confirmation ritual. Old school is that this is the name a person would be called in heaven, having been a 'soldier for Christ'. In the United States Polish immigrants named their child at birth, and the child used the name they chose at Confirmation as their middle name in adulthood. (So that's why three of your aunts all took the name of their mother at Confirmation.)

Try not to get genealogy myopia by looking for Honorifics or naming patterns in your research.  Quite likely it is not a person but a saint that the parent or parents were honoring. There were saint calendars with saint name days that they could look to, in order to name their child. Much depends on the church, the order of the priests who ran it, and the place they lived, how big the population was, if it was subject to outside influences because of trade and being a market town (more cosmopolitan).  If your ancestors went to a Polish speaking Catholic church as immigrants, you may find that they were still naming a child for the saint whose day they were born on or near.

I've seen pages of children born within a few days of each other all being given the same name indicating to me that the church their parents belonged to and baptized them in was very traditional. This name they found was on the Franciscan name days calendar.  The Franciscans were originally out of Italy, and this is how there got to be so many Polish Anthony's (Antonin or Antal).

If the child is Greek Catholic, the choice of names extends to some names that are rarely used within Roman Catholic churches. (Basil, Theodora, etc.) Please note that many Greek Catholics claim a Ruthenian heritage and there is now a revival and cultural awareness of this ethnic group that lived in the Carpathian Mountains and thus at least three countries (depending on the border history.  See previous posts about them!) However, when you hear the term Ukrainian, this may mean Ruthenian is the actual ethnic heritage rather than ethnically Ukrainian. In Galicia, there was significant intermarriage between the two groups, and also a group that combined Roman and Greek Catholicism called Uniates.

Now, if you see two or more given names, don't assume that those are twins. You may see the word binomial, that means two names. Gemelli is the word for twins.  Another indication of twins may be the number of godparents. Sometimes you will see that the person was given not just two names but three or four.  In this case the child most likely has parents or family that is noble, aristocratic, high ranking, notable, or rich. (But the names given still might not be honorifics) or it may simply be a Germanic influence.

Here are some articles that I thought would be of interest on this subject.

CULTURE POLAND : BEGINNERS GUIDE

This guide by Mikolaj Glinski is quite interesting, as it deals with nicknames and the origins of the rarest Slavic names.  According to his site, Mikolaj studied classics in Berlin at Humboldt University and also cultural studies at the University of Warsaw Institute of Polish Culture.

WIKITREE : POLISH and UKRANIAN NAMES

EXCERPT: Mary (Marena)  Polish 'Marya.'  Ukrainian: Mariya or Maria  (Note: "Most of our ethnic Polish ancestors who used the name Mary in American were actually baptized as Marianna.  This name isn't a combination of "Mary" and "Anna." It's actually a name that means "like Mary." In Polish culture, Mary the Mother of God was held in such reverence that it was considered sacrilegious to name a child Mary, in the same way that one didn't name a boy "Jesus" after the Son of God.  Instead, the name Marianne was used, in the hopes that the child would be like Mary."  You will see the same Marianna in Ukrainian baptisms and marriage records.

In Hungary Maria is a common name given to the first born daughter.

ROMAN CATHOLIC TRADITIONAL FRANCISCAN SAINTS CALENDER  

Please note that you should look for a calendar that was used about the time that the child was born, as there could be some variations by Holy Order and also you will notice that the majority of the saints named on this master list did not seem to get honorifics in Poland.  But let's take a look at a fictional family that has a girl child born September 4th.  Her name Rose, perhaps Rosalia or Rozalia, which comes from Saint Rose of Viterbo, and Italian saint. Let's say the next year in early September, the couple have another girl child. They can't give another girl the same name, Rose, so instead they might name that child Marianna for the Nativity (birth) of the Blessed Mother. A son born in late August - early September might be Joseph. Alternatively, another girl might be named Josefa.

If you know or suspect someone was baptized in the Greek Orthodox tradition, look for the appropriate saint calendar. On Geneteka, Greek Catholic records are clearly marked in the database as such, however, something you may find is that a surname is represented in both Roman and Greek Catholic churches.  Check the meaning of the surname.*  This will help you avoid spending time on a surname over a spelling question when the two surnames actually mean very different things though they are quite alike.

In either case, check to see if the church in the village is still standing and what the name of it is, because the records rarely record the name of the church. Some of these old churches are simply breathtaking inside.  Others feature amazing structures made of carved wood.

In Hungarian records you will see naming patterns among common people that are mostly about birth order.  Also, if a child dies, the given name may be repeated. I have yet to find that in the Polish records. So, remember that the Greek Catholic person does not have to have lived in the Ukraine and you will find Greek Catholics in Hungary - or Hungarian Lands which would include present day Slovakia and Romania too.

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Wednesday, February 2, 2022

UKRAINE : AN ILLUSTRATED HISTORY by PAUL ROBERT MAGOCSI : MAGYAR AMERICAN BOOK REVIEW

 

C 2007 University Toronto Press

I enjoyed this book, which probably needs another chapter or two, because of what has been happening in recent events with the possibility Russia will invade Ukraine and various countries - NATO - offering resistance of some sort. I thought the author did a good job of being unbiased, using population statistics, and taking us through events through history including border changes and so on.  Reading this book helped me better understand just how complicated it has been. Maps and photos are so helpful.  What impressed me is how passionate people have been about the politics and economic aspects of life in this part of the world and how violent it has been.

Like Hungarians in Romania, there is a sizeable population of ethnic Russians in Ukraine. It seems there long been various ethnicities, from tribal days forward, in this land. 

Still, it is my not so humble opinion that the real reason Russia wants the Ukraine is not just to expand its already sizeable turf or because it wants its borders to be up against many a European nation. I think it is because the Ukraine has fertile farmland and poverty and that it is a 'breadbasket' that can feed people and with the possibility of low wage agricultural workers.  In the United States a 'breadbasket' can be a place like the central valley of California where the low wage workers are migrants, often from Mexico.

If I were someone who could influence Russia - Putin - I would say to him that Russia has the opportunity to create new cities and use new technologies for the benefit of people there and can lead the way towards new forward thinking culture and society - there in the country they already have - and that is where they should put resources rather than military actions. I realize that much of Russia is considered too difficult because of the weather to easily sustain people at this point, but I think this is possible.  Who knows?  If Global warming is the continuing trend this cold place may become most desireable.

I wonder how many people self-identify as solely Ukrainian these days.

The history of this area of the word includes the Greeks and the Scythians, the Khazars anbd the Kievan Rus, the Mongols and the Tartars, and just about every kind of Slavic ethnicity.

In this book you will be guided with knowledge of what was Ukraine during the Austrian Empire of 1772-1815, in 1875 Austria-Hungary, after World War I including the West Ukrainian National Republic. Soviet Ukraine of 1932, lands in Poland circa 1930, what the situation is with Rusyn (Ruthenian) people living in Romania and Czechoslovakia in 1930, Carpatho-Ukraine in the World War II era of 1939-1941, and Soviet Ukraine in 1945.

I wish for peace.

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