Showing posts with label Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Show all posts

Tuesday, October 15, 2024

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #6

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #6

Austrian-Hungarian Empire

Österreichisch-Ungarische Monarchie in GERMAN

Osztrák–Magyar Monarchia in HUNGARIAN (Austro-Hungarian Monarchy)

Maps for the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, which includes Galicia, now Southern Poland, as well as today's Slovakia, part of today's Ukraine including Cadastral maps (or in America Plat maps) will be in GERMAN, LATIN, Hungarian, or other languages...

Just as today there are SLOVAK names for previously HUNGARIAN NAMED settlements, some settlements were renamed in GERMAN.

Here are some links to what is sometimes called Village Finders.

JEWISH GEN START PAGE  Seek the GAZETTEER

But let's return to the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS LIBRARY OF CONGRESS : MAPS and GAZETTEER ADVISEMENT AUSTRIAN HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

Excerpt: We are equally fortunate in possessing a comprehensive gazetteer to search for place names in the former Austria-Hungary, and that is Josef and Karl Kendler's 1905 work title ORTS-UND VERKEHRS-LEXIKON VON OESTERREICH-UNGARN.   .... To our benefit the Kendler gazetteer has been digitalized in its entirety for research VIA THE LIBRARY's WEBSITE .... A major drawback of the gazetteer, however, is its absence of geographic coordinates, which can be remedied by using the online Jewishgen Gazetteer or some other published gazetteer.  

All posts in this series have the tab Austrian-Hungarian Empire - Gen Tips

C 2024-2025 Magyar American BlogSpot - All Rights Reserveincluding Internet and International Rights

Tuesday, October 8, 2024

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #5

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #5

Austrian-Hungarian Empire - Gen Tip # 5

While MAGYAR AMERICAN focuses on Hungarian culture and society, we can learn a lot from research in Poland, Slovakia, and other parts of what was the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

Hungary and Poland have history together - both good and bad. Rakoczi's armys destroyed towns in southern Poland, for instance. 

I mentioned before, here at MAGYAR-AMERICAN BlogSpot about finding some Hungarian surnames in church records for Galicia - Poland, and a notation in a marriage record in a Roman Catholic church that the bride came from Hungary. That was a small town involved in the wine business. I suspect this would be more true in records for cities, such as Krakow.

I think you'll find that people with means would travel far for marriages. They were also more likely to marry in the more impressive churches and cathedrals. And if you "know" that a certain noble ancestor lived in a place but their marriages and other records seem to be missing consider the larger church or cathedral not too far away.

Although it was an extremely small sample, I recently ran the names of the known nobility who owned a particular area of Galicia just a few miles from the then-Hungarian border in the GENETEKA databases and none of their names came up. So what was happening? First, some of the churches, while incredibly beautiful and ornate inside, didn't seat too many people. So if you were having many guests to your religious ceremony, you needed more space. But then, you probably needed more space for the festivities as well, and somewhere for guests who traveled to stay for a few days. Also, you might have a private chapel or church on your own property and having services there would protect you and your guests from the villagers intent on witnessing the goings-on and invading your privacy. However, this also means that they kept private records of their births and marriages if those names are also not coming up as recorded in any of the dozens of church books now transcribed for the Geneteka databases. Today I would think that such records would make their way to the diocese archive but back in the day? Common people were keeping records of births and marriages and deaths handwritten in their Bible...

In January 2022 I did a series called  Pro Genealogy Tips - Galicia which you can reference.

GENETEKA English

You  might want to run some Hungarian surnames in the databases of other European countries as well.

Some of the noble families donated their private records to The National Archives in Hungary.

All posts in this series have the tab Austrian-Hungarian Empire - Gen Tips

C 2024-2025 Magyar American BlogSpot - All Rights Reserveincluding Internet and International Rights

Friday, September 20, 2024

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #2

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #2

The historical time we are focusing on and is valuable to Hungarian researchers is when Galicia was a territory that was once owned by the Austrian Crown, and then the Austrian-Hungarian EmpireAs a territory under the rule of  the Austrian Crown and then the Austrian-Hungarian empire, Galicia came into being in 1772, in what was called the 'first partition' (of Poland).There are many opinions about the region during those times. I've listened to academics and rabbis who present their teachings about Galicia on YouTube videos, and well, everyone has their opinion but the man who says it never existed is wrong. It did and there are maps to prove it.

That said, for most of you who are tracing ancestors who were in Hungary, present day Hungarian, Slovakian, Austrian, perhaps Croation, archives will be most important.

SHEPHERDS and SHOEMAKERS on GALICIA - CADASTRAL MAPS 

Galicia is the focus of the website Shepherds and Shoemakers, a family history and genealogy site that I respect. It's informative and useful for genealogy.  The site came up again when I was searching for information on CADASTRAL MAPS

In the United States these maps are called Plat Maps. There are sketches, charts, and sometimes plans for the future on these maps.  (For instance, I found one in the U.S. that showed the plans for streets, including the street names, that had not been yet paved - which go back to the late 1950's. A land owner and developer used these for many purposes, beyond designing his dream suburb with the names of his wife and children for street names. They were probably used to get the development past city planning officials and as part of a proposal for financing at the bank.)

Cadastral maps can be of value to your family history and genealogy project. Land surveys were done and the map illustrated the boundaries of properties, the real estate. The maps defined legal rights and responsibility regarding property ownership and use. This all tied in with the things one could not avoid.  To quote my mom, "death and taxes."  

You may be able to tie them in with census, wills, and other documents.

Undertaking the survey and making of the maps was an effort to better understand the towns and villages that it now controlled. The maps helped the government better understand the villages and towns, land ownership, and the value of each settlement that was mapped. 

All posts in this series have the tab Austrian-Hungarian Empire - Gen Tips

C 2024-2025  Magyar American BlogSpot - All Rights Reserveincluding Internet and International Rights

Tuesday, September 17, 2024

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #1

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY GEN-TIPS SERIES #1

This is the start of an expansive series on the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and the use of maps....  Stick with me!  There's a lot to learn together.  As with all my other Hungarian Genealogy Tips, the series name is put on each tab so you can pull it all up.

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE : GALICIA : CADASTRAL MAPS : HOUSE NUMBERS

INTRODUCTION TO THIS SERIES : Austrian-Hungarian Empire - Gen Tip #1

This icon, from Graphics Fairy, is being used to designate posts for this series.

A WORD ABOUT THE HISTORY OF GALICIA, CADASTRAL MAPS, and HUNGARY.

You say, "What? I thought Magyar-American BlogSpot was all about Hungarian and Hungarian-Americans! Why are we talking about Galicia? Wasn't that in Poland?  

Well... I always advise that a genealogist research the history of the locations that they find their ancestors and use historical records hand in hand with genealogy records. A good part of Poland was part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

The historical time we are focusing on and that is valuable to Hungarian researchers is when Galicia was a territory that was once owned by the Austrian Crown, and then the Austrian-Hungarian Empire

Austrian-Hungarian Empire

Österreichisch-Ungarische Monarchie in GERMAN

Osztrák–Magyar Monarchia in HUNGARIAN means Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy

Here's some historical background:

As a territory under the rule of  the Austrian Crown and then the Austrian-Hungarian empire, Galicia came into being in 1772, in what was called the 'first partition' (of Poland). 

GALICIA was a vast expanse, which is now south-central and south - in what is now Podkarpakie (Subcarpathia) Poland, a tiny bit of what is now Slovakia but was Hungary, and a portion of what is now western Ukraine. (It's not to be confused with the Galicia of Spain though that comes up when you use databases.) The name Galicia is supposed to have come from the word Galizien which was Halychyna in Ukrainian and Halicz in Poland. 

Galicia was already an ethnically diverse area with a Polish and Carpatho-Rusyn (Ruthenian) Slavic settlers, who were mostly Roman Catholic or "Greek" Catholic. (The Greek Catholics were not ethnically Greek but were originally converted to Christianity by Christian missionaries from Greece.) However, though mostly Catholic, there were Protestants such as Lutheran Germans.

As time went on, Galicia was a good place to settle for Jews, and the Jews who came in included some Sephardic roots Jews, who had left after being exited from Spain and Portugal, as well as the Ashkenazi 'German' Jews and Russian Jews. Over time, there came to be a became significant Jewish population, mostly merchants. 

There were other immigrations of ethnic Germans into what was Hungary, but now this wave of immigration brought them in from Austria. We find the presence of Germanic surnames in Catholic records and Germans marrying Poles. These Austrian-Germans were often also nobles, administrators, and those in a higher status than the traditionally agricultural "peasants' or the men and women who earned their living through making shoes or other useful items that took skill, craft, and artistry. 

We also find Hungarian surnames in Galicia and Polish names in Hungary.

l find that the nobility was intermarrying with nobility of other ethnicities for some time - going the distance to make a good marriage - so today there is some confusion or controversy over who was a Slovak, Polish, Ruthenian, Lithuanian, or Hungarian noble. (And some nobles were also at least partly Italian, Czech, or another ethnicity.) 

One thing you should consider is that a surname might have been changed to be more Polish, more Hungarian, more German - especially note the endings: ski, sky, skyi, szke...

Through time, there were very many incursions, raids, battles and wars fought in Galicia and for it before the Nazi's. This included the Mongols and the Tatars - who took men, women, and children into slavery and marched them into the Ottoman Empire of Turkey. It also included the Swedes, and - contrary to the thought that Poland and Hungary were "always friends"  Ferenc Rakoczi II, Prince of Transylvania, and his army also came into the Podkarpakie area, devastating towns. There were also the Russians coming into Galicia, who are now in war to take Ukraine, as Russia thinks of Ukraine as a historical part of Russia.

On old maps of GALICIA you see the Carpathian mountain range is to the south, running through what is today SLOVAKIA, but was then HUNGARY. The main trade route is from southern "trade route" towns such as Dukla, Poland, through the Dukla Pass around Cergowa, Poland, and into Hungary. Once the whole region was especially significant in the wine business with travel through the Pass into the Hungarian grape growing and wine making region. Some of the Galician market towns had wine cellars for the storage of wine brought up from Hungarian wine country. There was significant trade between Hungary and Galicia of other items as well. This meant that people who identified as Hungarian and people who identified as Polish or another ethnicity were meeting up.

So valuable was this road  through the mountains called the Dukla Pass, because it was the pass with the lowest elevation, the easiest to travel, that many thousands died in World War II trying to control it. As the intention to murder the Jews in Poland became clear, many fled Galicia and came into Hungary. As well, the Carpatho-Rusyn (Ruthenians) were also forced to move by the occupying Germans to other areas than their traditional homeland, dispersing them throughout Poland. Since their homeland included places in Hungary (now Slovakia) some fled there - moving south - rather than be moved around Poland.

Regarding World War II, the Nazi's won. They used the Dukla Pass route to invade Hungary, as one of two major routes into the country. Stories were that one day the people were in the fields and markets and the next they were - gone.

It's a difficult history.

Continue on with this series ....  

All posts in this series have the tab Austrian-Hungarian Empire - Gen Tips

C 2024-2025  Magyar American BlogSpot - All Rights Reserveincluding Internet and International Rights

Saturday, March 11, 2023

1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY : USING THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP # 3

1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY : USING THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP # 3


We're not totally dependent on FamilySearch (or any other database in the United States of America) to find the records that are originally sourced from Hungary.  We have the use of HUNGARICANA which is the database that originates in the country of Hungary and is a function of the National Archives in that country. The archives hold military records that go beyond what we've just looked at in the FamilySearch catalog.

HUNGARICANA cultural portal   You will see a number of database categories on this start page.

I put the words "military 1876" into the search and up came a number of readable books that are in English...  I know that the language presents difficulties for those who are not native in it... I know that personally, so I don't want those of you who never had or lost the language to be totally deterred from doing Hungarian research... search using English words and see what comes up!

THIS LINK TAKES YOU TO A BOOK IN ENGLISH THAT WILL TELL YOU WHERE MILITARY RECORDS CAN BE FOUND IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY...

https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/MALE_Sk_2006_mo-i_leveltarak_angol/?query=military%201867&pg=0&layout=s  


ARCHIVES HUNGARICANA HU - LIST  See the links to other regional archives.



Few genealogy projects are entirely dependent on military records. So, if you do not find the men in your family, who most likely did have to serve that two years on these records, don't feel too bad. I’m personally chasing down an ancestor because of a note on a marriage record that he was in the reserves and the man was born in 1850.

To bring up ALL posts in this series click on the label 1867 - Austrian-Hungarian Military Gen Tips 

C 2023-2025 Magyar-American BlogSpot All Rights Reserved including International and Internet Rights. 


Saturday, March 4, 2023

1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY : TRANSLATING THE DOCUMENTS : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP # 2

1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY : TRANSLATING THE DOCUMENTS : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP # 2 

Depending on church records mostly for your research, you may find notations on marriages in particular that the groom is an officer -  tiszt,  or a soldier - hajdu, or you might see the word hadsereg - army. (Some men married by proxy while serving!) There might be a notation on a child's baptism that the father is serving. 

I'm using FamilySearch TM and the following records to discuss how to use these.  

Specifically, I'm using the following record group.

Katonai nyilvantartasi jegyzek 1863-1888   (List of Military Records) 

Gonc  Hadkiegeszito Parancsnoksag (Main Author)

Published in 1962 by Filmre vette a Genealogical Society of Utah 

I'm using film #008737879 and film #008737839 (but there are four categories available.)

These are Muster Rolls from the Gonc Military District.

There are notes that this film covers the years 1866-1876 (and birth dates 1841-46 and 1850 - 1856, suggesting that there are missing pages for men born 1847-1849) However another film many include some men born during that period.

These records are from Abauj county.  Before the split up of Hungary, Abauj county had much more territory than it does now, when parts of it are now Slovakia and towns now have Slovak names.  So these records have the potential to cover a lot of territory.

Some of the places mentioned include Goncruska, Szanto, Telki Banya, Fony, Crizoly, Also Reymecz, Ujfalu, Felso Dobfzu, Hejcze, Hermad Keres, ...

Gonc (also seen in archival records as Goncz and Gontz) was historically a civic center, a place of governmental administration, though it appears to be a small, unimportant town today. These military records include those men who came from the surrounding area. The four categories hold records that are thousands of pages and no index is forthcoming. In fact, I sense that the original records that FamilySearch microfilmed decades ago in archives within Hungary, were intended as a kind of index. But more on that later. *********

My experience:

First of all the FamilySearch SEARCH function in which you put in the film number was not working. I'd taken down the number 8737879 on notes and tried to use it in their SEARCH feature to bring it up. It did not work. I tried it with and without the 00 in front of the number.  I tried it multiple times.

Therefore, you may have to bring these up by going into the CATALOG function. Search in the CATALOG for Gonc (the name of the town) and then choose military records. You'll see the word Gonc twice as it is the town AND the Military District

Across the top of the records you will see columns/categories of information which are in Hungarian and sometimes in Hungarian and Old German lettering. Some of these were not properly written in the first place. So here are the corrections, sans the accent marks.

THE COLUMNS  

(Please note that this discussion covers the version used quite a bit but there is also a shorter version and a longer version existing on this film.)

1) a kozseg neve de osszeir asi jegyzekenek szama

This translates to "the name of the group and the number of notes."

In general this means "Where the person is from" because the name of the group is named after the town.  (This does not necessarily mean that this is where a soldier was born but think of it was where the person was living when it came time to serve in the military.  And there is a good chance it is also where they were born.)

On pages to the far left you will see a list of numbers, and that is where they hand wrote the numbers of notes otherwise thought of as "items."

2) Sorz szam

This translates to "Serial Number" and I see that this column is often blank.

3) A hadkötelesnek csaladi es kereszt vagy elo neve

This translates to "The conscript's family name and first and last name."

This sounds awkward.  It might be thought of as "soldier's name, first and last" however, I believe it is stated this way because sometimes a "family name" is not the same as the soldier's first and last name. This is because there is an understanding that some people come from a "House" such as a Noble House or a Clan (which would be the family name) and within that House  or Clan they have another name.  For instance, as a made up example, a person might be going by the name Janos Kovacs but come from a noble lineage Andrassy. On other records you might also see this written Janos Kovacs alias Andrassy.  There could be a variety of surnames that are associated with the House or Clan, harkening back to the ancient days. After looking at hundreds of pages, I haven't seen this written in, but the column heading allows for that possibility. Instead we are finding a first and last (or surname) simply with notation that the person is a noble. 

4) Szuletesi i eve

Translates to "year of birth."  Ahmm.  Birthday

Usually only a year is given.  But this is where you must be careful not to assume. The records are arranged so that the men are listed by year born, and the older they are, the earlier that year. And the older they are - in general - the LATER they are on the record/film. It's too bad full birth dates are not given. 

As I click along, reading page after page, I see that some effort is also made to group men by their home location.

5) szylet es helye  

translation? year and place  Think Location, Location, Location,

jaras is singular form of jarasok translating to district.  The Hungarian megye (county) was further divided by districts. Think of an American county, further divided by Townships.

megye means county

orszag means country

In general I see the name of a town listed again, often matching the first one mentioned.  So a man served or was in the reserves fairly close to home.

 6) vallas allapot - religious background

These records include men of Catholic (R.K.), Reform (Ref.) (Protestant), and Jewish background. They overall include people of all religious backgrounds. Greek Catholic (Gr.C.) may indicate that the family has Carptho-Rus (Ruthenian, Rusyn) heritage, or Ukrainian, or Slovak.  Evangelical (Eve) indicates they are Lutheran, indicating the family may have German heritage. Zsido is the term used for Jewish, though I have also seen Israelite (Isr).

Notlen - unmarried

Nos - married

Gyermek - child  (implied is a father)

vagy azok or those

nelkul - without

(Who would make a better recruit? A man who needs to support a family or man who won't leave a wife and children if he dies in military service?)

7 - 10) 

tudasa - awareness  (i.e. is this person intelligent? informed?  Educated? Have any special skills?)

olvasus - reading

iras - writing

zene - music

mesterseg - handyman

(This is about a man's education, and so how he might be useful to the military.  I like that they ask if the person knows music. Implied he plays an instrument or sings which might be useful if they march.)

11) az atyanak csaladi kereszt vagy eloneve

This translates to the father's family cross or first name...

The "family cross" is implied to be the family shield/ name, again this refers to noble House or Clan.

What I see in general is the name of parents (implied unmarried soldier) or the name of a wife (if married) but read across-

12) haz szam helyseg kozseg hol a hadkote les lakik

translates to "house number, location, district, where the soldier lives."

If this is filled out, it could be interesting.  It might tie into church records and other census.  It's a possible lead or secondary document.  

13) test nagy saga translates to the saga of the body or body story  hmmm....

test nagy saga translates to... I admit this word choice seems strange but it seems to be saying... "According to the little bird."  And we used to say "A little bird told me..." to indicate gossip - something personal.

Roughly, what does this person say about their health? How big are they? Basically it appears to be all about how TALL they are, and based on contemporary heights, these men are seemingly about as tall as Napoleon...  I see this column is left empty quite a bit.

On some forms:

mell merteke - breast courage  indicates a measurement size of chest . They need uniforms. (I see a soldier standing straight up to full height and sticking out their chest!)

Overall I'm reminded that people seem to have grown taller through the decades, because we have better nutrition. 

14) lelet az utolso allitasnal   Finding with the last alliteration/statement.

le lett az utolso   The last one is down.

Let's try the German :  

befund bei der bebten stellung  means "findings in the trembling position"?...

So - my genealogy friends - this seems to be asking "When the going gets rough, how does this man bear up? How does he act? Does he have courage? Or is he a weakling?

Hajdu means soldier.  So when I see hajdu written in, I figure that man has passed some test of courage or endurance or wit.

15) az ava stasi bizott many lelete reszrol  Findings /basis for findings by the committee/ commission

Katona - Military   Polgar - Civil

The absence of notes in this column indicate to me that this was probably only used if a soldier got himself in some trouble and therefore had to go into some review in which he was judged and some determination was made.

16)  az avatottnak be osztas  - for the initiated

iranti  - on

ki va - who is

na ta  - so there you are

I tried a translation from the German and it was worse.  asically, I believe this column is to express information on who is who, what their rank is. 

17) az avatas napja az ezred - the day of initiation is the regiment

Hadtest - corps

vagy osztaly neve - or class name

melyhez beosztatott - to which he was assigned

18) eszrevetel - perception (final assessment overall)

Other words encountered:

korostaly - old age.  These men are not elderly, they're just a bit older, still in their early twenties, so what is indicated is that they have probably nearer to ending their term of service.

Further the record will state where the person is stationed, if it is not in their hometown. In general it appears that most men served fairly close to their hometown, which probably made visiting family, taking care of personal adult responsibilities, and especially, being a reservist, easier on them and their families. These were agriculture economies in which the men's labor was very much needed.

Commentary:

The records are and are not arranged as one might expect.

Alphabetical, yes, however only by first letter. That means that it may appear to be fully alphabetical, taking into consideration every letter in a surname in some places, but do not be too quick to think the surname you seek is not listed  If the surname you are using begins with Sz, look through ALL of the letter S.  And so on.

To bring up ALL posts in this series click on the label 1867 - Austrian-Hungarian Military Gen Tips 

C 2023-2025 Magyar-American BlogSpot All Rights Reserved including International and Internet Rights. 

Slightly edited on April 8, 2023  


Saturday, February 25, 2023

1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY : A BRIEF HISTORY OF HUNGARIAN MILITARY UNDER AUSTRIAN RULE : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP #1

1867 COMPROMISE MILITARY RECORDS - WHEN AUSTRIA RULED HUNGARY : A BRIEF HISTORY OF HUNGARIAN MILITARY UNDER AUSTRIAN RULE : HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY PRO TIP #1


If you've traced your ancestry back to the days of the Austrian Empire's rule of Hungary you may find some notes in church or other records that mention that a man is serving or has rank in the military. This can be an interesting addition to your genealogy and family history story.

Here is a brief and general history of Hungarian Military under Austrian Rule focused on the records that we'll be looking at: 

In 1867 it was determined that Hungary and Austria were separate "states" though many a Hungarian never thought of themselves as Austrian or thought of Austria as anything other than an occupier of Hungary.  (Thus the uprisings mid 1800's, in particular 1849.)

Prior to this men who turned 18 had the expectation that they would serve in the military. It had been three years of service but, in what was considered a Compromise, in 1867, that was reduced to two years. 

Prior to this some men paid for another man to take their place, but now they could no longer use this legal way out, though perhaps by paying someone else to serve in their place, they could have then attend to their education or family business. It might have been a good opportunity for a poorer man to take the place of a richer one, particularly a noble one, for military service had long been a way for some men to advance their education, work, and status. Being the servant of a noble, especially in the days of castle defense, had elevated some to the "castle noble" nobility as well. So if you and your family were scratching out a living, serving for someone else really could be a good opportunity, especially if you were a younger son who might not be expecting an inheritance. Especially if service was not seen as especially risky because it seemed to be a time of peace. 

Then again, maybe, seeing that you were the one the family could not do without, you might ask a relative to substitute for you... and not have to pay him! 

From 1815 to 1848 the Austrian military was experiencing a long period of peace rather than a long time at war, with just a few military actions. But who knew how or when war might break out and things could change?  (They sure did when World War I broke out!)

So in 1867 the rules about military service changed. When a man turned 18, he had to sign up for what was a draft, sort of like the lotteries used to call up American citizens to serve in our Vietnam war. Annual lotteries were used to call up men to serve from the entire draft enrollment - not just the 18 year-olds. So it wasn't that if a man turned 19 he would not be called. He might duly serve his time and get out and go back to his life. Some might have been able to distinguish themselves in some way and stay in a while, perhaps have a career.

A man who was born in 1849 would have turned 18 some time in 1867. Do a little math to see if and when your ancestor would have been eligible to sign up for that new draft lottery and serve!

(It could be interesting to find out that your ancestor was part of the mid century uprisings about that time. From our view looking back those who rose up were Hungarian patriots who wanted Hungary to have it' freedom from Austrian rule. However the military squelched the uprisings.)

Circa 1867, when the changes were made, if the man were NOT called up to serve by lottery for the two years, then he HAD to be in the Reserves or in a "territory" militia. The territory was actually the COUNTRY of Hungary and in Hungary the military was called the Honved.  (Austria was a territory, so was Croatia.) Like today, to be in the Reserves he had to attend some meetings, some training. He had to be ready to serve if needed. So when you hear that all men had to serve, it's true; some were in the Honved and some were in the Reserves.

There was also an opportunity for the men who were educated, say college candidates, to volunteer for a year. This was a bit like the role of ROTC in the United States in which men who went to college on ROTC scholarships and graduated were moved into the leadership roles as officers for Vietnam. Hungary was a bit special in this regard because many of the reservists who volunteered for a year with the army were Jewish.  The records reflect religious diversity at the time.

Though we are focusing on this new era 1867ish, it wasn't until 1918, after World War I, when Austria no longer ruled Hungary, that Hungarian men no longer served for Austria.


The label 1867 - Austrian-Hungarian Military Gen Tips brings up all posts in the series.

*** This contemporary town heraldry shield for Gonc will be used to help identify this series of genealogy tips as this records held under this town's name will be the ones we look at.  

There are many more genealogy tips and links within MAGYAR-AMERICAN BLOGSPOT.


C 2023-2025 Magyar-American BlogSpot All Rights Reserved including International and Internet Rights. 

Saturday, February 5, 2022

MULTIPLE NAMES ON BIRTH RECORDS and ETHNICITY : GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #5

MULTIPLE NAMES ON BIRTH RECORDS and ETHNICITY : GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH : GENEALOGY PRO TIP  #5 

In the United States the typical child was given two names, a first and a middle, before their surname. In some families you might find naming has to do with honoring a father or other family member.

However, it is unusual in Old Polish/Latin records for most children who were baptized to be given two names. This is not just because a person was born humble, a peasant or poor, which may be indicated by the term 'rustic' or 'Ag' = Agriculture = a farmer.  (Not all farmers were poor.  You may have to find out if they are tenant farmers or subcontractors.)

When a Christian child reached the time to be Confirmed, they got to choose a name for themselves, which was repeated by the priest or bishop who was performing the Confirmation ritual. Old school is that this is the name a person would be called in heaven, having been a 'soldier for Christ'. In the United States Polish immigrants named their child at birth, and the child used the name they chose at Confirmation as their middle name in adulthood. (So that's why three of your aunts all took the name of their mother at Confirmation.)

Try not to get genealogy myopia by looking for Honorifics or naming patterns in your research.  Quite likely it is not a person but a saint that the parent or parents were honoring. There were saint calendars with saint name days that they could look to, in order to name their child. Much depends on the church, the order of the priests who ran it, and the place they lived, how big the population was, if it was subject to outside influences because of trade and being a market town (more cosmopolitan).  If your ancestors went to a Polish speaking Catholic church as immigrants, you may find that they were still naming a child for the saint whose day they were born on or near.

I've seen pages of children born within a few days of each other all being given the same name indicating to me that the church their parents belonged to and baptized them in was very traditional. This name they found was on the Franciscan name days calendar.  The Franciscans were originally out of Italy, and this is how there got to be so many Polish Anthony's (Antonin or Antal).

If the child is Greek Catholic, the choice of names extends to some names that are rarely used within Roman Catholic churches. (Basil, Theodora, etc.) Please note that many Greek Catholics claim a Ruthenian heritage and there is now a revival and cultural awareness of this ethnic group that lived in the Carpathian Mountains and thus at least three countries (depending on the border history.  See previous posts about them!) However, when you hear the term Ukrainian, this may mean Ruthenian is the actual ethnic heritage rather than ethnically Ukrainian. In Galicia, there was significant intermarriage between the two groups, and also a group that combined Roman and Greek Catholicism called Uniates.

Now, if you see two or more given names, don't assume that those are twins. You may see the word binomial, that means two names. Gemelli is the word for twins.  Another indication of twins may be the number of godparents. Sometimes you will see that the person was given not just two names but three or four.  In this case the child most likely has parents or family that is noble, aristocratic, high ranking, notable, or rich. (But the names given still might not be honorifics) or it may simply be a Germanic influence.

Here are some articles that I thought would be of interest on this subject.

CULTURE POLAND : BEGINNERS GUIDE

This guide by Mikolaj Glinski is quite interesting, as it deals with nicknames and the origins of the rarest Slavic names.  According to his site, Mikolaj studied classics in Berlin at Humboldt University and also cultural studies at the University of Warsaw Institute of Polish Culture.

WIKITREE : POLISH and UKRANIAN NAMES

EXCERPT: Mary (Marena)  Polish 'Marya.'  Ukrainian: Mariya or Maria  (Note: "Most of our ethnic Polish ancestors who used the name Mary in American were actually baptized as Marianna.  This name isn't a combination of "Mary" and "Anna." It's actually a name that means "like Mary." In Polish culture, Mary the Mother of God was held in such reverence that it was considered sacrilegious to name a child Mary, in the same way that one didn't name a boy "Jesus" after the Son of God.  Instead, the name Marianne was used, in the hopes that the child would be like Mary."  You will see the same Marianna in Ukrainian baptisms and marriage records.

In Hungary Maria is a common name given to the first born daughter.

ROMAN CATHOLIC TRADITIONAL FRANCISCAN SAINTS CALENDER  

Please note that you should look for a calendar that was used about the time that the child was born, as there could be some variations by Holy Order and also you will notice that the majority of the saints named on this master list did not seem to get honorifics in Poland.  But let's take a look at a fictional family that has a girl child born September 4th.  Her name Rose, perhaps Rosalia or Rozalia, which comes from Saint Rose of Viterbo, and Italian saint. Let's say the next year in early September, the couple have another girl child. They can't give another girl the same name, Rose, so instead they might name that child Marianna for the Nativity (birth) of the Blessed Mother. A son born in late August - early September might be Joseph. Alternatively, another girl might be named Josefa.

If you know or suspect someone was baptized in the Greek Orthodox tradition, look for the appropriate saint calendar. On Geneteka, Greek Catholic records are clearly marked in the database as such, however, something you may find is that a surname is represented in both Roman and Greek Catholic churches.  Check the meaning of the surname.*  This will help you avoid spending time on a surname over a spelling question when the two surnames actually mean very different things though they are quite alike.

In either case, check to see if the church in the village is still standing and what the name of it is, because the records rarely record the name of the church. Some of these old churches are simply breathtaking inside.  Others feature amazing structures made of carved wood.

In Hungarian records you will see naming patterns among common people that are mostly about birth order.  Also, if a child dies, the given name may be repeated. I have yet to find that in the Polish records. So, remember that the Greek Catholic person does not have to have lived in the Ukraine and you will find Greek Catholics in Hungary - or Hungarian Lands which would include present day Slovakia and Romania too.

C 2021- 2025 Magyar-American BlogSpot  All Rights Reserved Including Internet and International Rights

This post is part of a series on the subject. To pull all the topics up, click on the tag Pro Genealogy Tips - Galicia

Saturday, January 22, 2022

TIMELINES - THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HUNGARIAN AND POLISH WOMEN IN INDEXES : USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #4

TIMELINES - THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HUNGARIAN AND POLISH WOMEN IN INDEXES  : USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH : GENEALOGY PRO TIP  #4

Death records I've encountered that are so far indexed on GENETEKA seem to be the least useful. I was so hoping to confirm the rumors of how certain ancestors died but cannot even find the records despite carefully paging through. Most of the reasons why someone died reveal that medical knowledge was not so advanced as it is today. I have often wondered at old people dying of "inflammation." I think this means the person probably retained water and appeared swollen by the time they died, which happens with some cancers.

I find creating a TIME LINE in which you note the dates of children who were married and what it says about their parents (i.e. is one of both deceased?) will at least help you limit your research.

Starting with a person's birth, follow them through the years for marriages and children. If you notice they are called a widow or widower on a remarriage record, then you know that by that time their previous spouse died.  If a child marries, his parents will likely be listed and it will translate to something like:

Jan, the son of the d.p.  (deceased parent) Marcus, and Marianna Sobato, means that at the time of his marriage his birth father was deceased, so there is a date that can limit your research in a positive way, but the mother is alive. By listing the births of children to Marcus' wives, and finding their marriages, you may get closer to the date of his death.

Additionally, you may have to go to the records that are not yet indexed or question what is indexed.

HERE IS MY BIG COMPLAINT ABOUT GENETEKA INDEXING.

In Hungarian records it seems understood that a woman is listed by her maiden/birth name at birth, marriage, and death, though in her community she is known as the married woman, Mrs. Szabo or Szabone. (ne suffix.)  However, in the Polish records I found women listed under their previous married name in the database. If someone has not noted that with a little :i: (information) icon then basically, you'll have to discover this yourself by reading the original records. Going to the information about her parentage is important so that you have her maiden/birth name. So, you may have to dismiss the database surname of the bride in marriages and go with what you know about the groom rather than the bride's surname.  More than one of my ancestors had three marriages due to the deaths of their first two spouses and that a careful indexer bothered to read and note the maiden name on each was of great help and made me aware this was not the case with every indexer.

C 2021- 2025 Magyar-American BlogSpot  All Rights Reserved Including Internet and International Rights

This post is part of a series on the subject.  To pull all the topics up, click on the tag Pro Genealogy Tips- Galicia

Saturday, January 15, 2022

THE CONCERNS OF THE PRIEST - MARRIAGES : GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #3

THE CONCERNS OF THE PRIEST - MARRIAGES : GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH : GENEALOGY PRO TIP  #3

Jewish records (and other minority religions such as Lutheran and Mennonite records) are available in special archives in Poland and JewishGen is a helpful database site for Jewish records. 

So far GENETEKA is primarily Roman Catholic and Greek Catholic records. Appearing in Greek Catholic records may indicate that the person is of Ruthenian (such as Lemko) heritage or of a different ethnic heritage than Hungarian or Polish. Research the surname as well, however, because there was intermarriage, especially as we go through the 1800's into the 1900's.  Also given names will be a clue as to religion and ethnicity- more on that in another post.

Be aware that if a couple moved to a village where there was only a Roman Catholic church, they might attend and worship there, and so it was with Greek Catholic churches in villages. In America they might settle where an ethnic church and belong there. There might also have been agreements between the couple to raise some children in one religion and others - the other. Typically, if the mother was Greek Catholic, she might want her daughters raised in that church but might allow her sons to follow their Roman Catholic father. **

Just think practically. A person would work hard all week and want to see Church as a pleasure - a respite - and a social opportunity - but how far do they really want to travel?  On foot?

If the town also had a Jewish temple, that might indicate that it has a larger population than a village.

What might indicate a "mixed" marriage?  Well, if the priest writes in that Banns of Marriage have occurred in two different parishes or churches, that is a clue. Sometimes the name of the church or the name of the other village appears.  Check these out on church and village history sites!  You may find the name of the church, see photos of it, even find it on a YouTube video tour.

What are banns of marriage?  A public announcement - back in the day usually from the pulpit - that a couple plan to marry.  Usually three Sundays in a row.  The idea was to give people who know the individuals to voice an objection to the marriage and stop it.  A popular story device on soap-operas for sure!  Check those dates for the day of the week they occurred.  Usually this was right before the marriage - but not always.  How much time passed between the third announcement and the marriage ceremony?

What were the good reasons to object?

Knowledge that a person is already married to someone else.  Or that the person promised marriage to someone else who is alive.

In some cases, that there is some dispute involving the inheritance (of land usually) that needs to be resolved first.  (Remember that Old Europeans did a lot of match making and that villagers might have decided what child would marry who when they grew up long before.  Sure there were love matches but these were practical people.)

Knowledge that the man - potential father in particular - is not capable of supporting a family.

Too close a relationship.  You will find that whole villages are somehow genetically related - many families intertwining. Still there was a general idea that too close cousin marriage was not a good idea.

A strong parental or authority figure objection or for some reason the marriage is seen locally as not good for the community.  

The priest will record the names and parentage of the bride and groom including their ages.  In some records the actual birth date is listed.  If it says 11/3/1879 that means March 11, 1879.  The day is first, the month is second.

Did people really not know how old they were?  Or lie.  It seems sometimes this is true. In my experience they are not too far off.

Legitimacy.

This is not just about being celibate until married for holy religious reasons. The priests baptized so many babies and the illegitimate ones tended not to thrive without the support of a father and everybody knew it. Remember at this time most women were wives and mothers and outside income was the husband's role. Sad to say but some women were taken advantage of by seducers, sexual harassers, and rapists.  And sometimes people had affairs. The most important aspect of marriage was for the bearing of and raising of children. You see the death records and you see how few children made it to adulthood and begin to feel a sense of amazement when you notice someone died in their 70's because of senility (they were just old.)

The socio-cultural-religious system endorsed marriage as the best economic way as well.

One of my ancestors was married three times due to his wives dying before he died.

If you see one woman with multiple illegitimate children - no father's name or heritage mentioned - she may be someone who is unlucky in love, a prostitute, or having an affair with a married man.  Follow her if you can and see if she every marries.  ****

If you take the DNA test and it proves you are not the actual genetic heir of a person on your chart, well it's not unheard of.

Added note Feb 3 2022  Greek Catholic records do not conform to the Julian Calendar at all times and are usually behind.  I.e Roman Catholic Christmas is December 25th, Greek Catholic (or Orthodox Christmas) is January 16th.  Which means that if a person you are seeking on records was baptized in a Roman Catholic Church on Christmas, that same person baptized in the Greek tradition would show in records baptized on January 16th - and a different year! However, you'll have to research to find out when and where there was conformity and my feeling is this.  If the records are in Latin or Polish and not Cyrillic script, then they are likely following the Julian Calander. 

** But since the Roman Catholic Church used to insist that anyone who married there would promise to raise their children Roman Catholic, you may find the children all follow the parent whose church they married in.

*** see also how long the children live. 

Added note April 2023  JewishGen appears to have sold their database to Ancestry TM.

Added note April 2023.  Geneteka is uploading some Lutheran records under the term Evangelical.

C 2021- 2025 Magyar-American BlogSpot  All Rights Reserved Including Internet and International Rights

This post is part of a series on the subject.  To pull all the topics up, click on the tag Pro Genealogy Tips - Galicia

Wednesday, January 12, 2022

LOOKING AT AN ARCHIVAL DOCUMENT GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #2

LOOKING AT AN ARCHIVAL DOCUMENT  GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #2

GENETEKA GENEALOGY POLAND  the important link!

PROS :

1) Your need to read Polish is minimal because like many church records in Europe, LATIN is used.

2) If you can get through some handwriting hazards, there are good Latin- English and Latin - Polish reference books at the library or on-line translators!  You will soon learn a Derelictus is simply a widow- not a worthless bum!

3) The columns or categories are generally obvious, be it that you are looking for marriages, deaths, or births.

4) You'll have to be patient for indexing is an ongoing project, one you may want to get involved with. So if an index helps you get to the person you're looking for, well, you can still get to the records from there.  If your ancestor doesn't come right up in the index, but you have some information from immigration documents such as from the steamship, draft registration, or citizenship papers, you might want to start by reading the records from that place.

5) Get maps and descriptions of villages easily on-line to help you understand your ancestor's geographic and cultural world. Begin with the link above that lists the 21 "Provinces" of today's Poland and record coverage.

CONS :

1) There are missing records that will not ever be indexed because they are simply missing. This is because they were never collected, they were ruined by fire, flood, or some other disaster, or because of war, particularly World War II. Still start out hopeful.  (Great Grandma may have been born up in the mountains in the winter and her baptism may have been by midwife (common) and /or not reported at all.)

2) *** Some records you will find twice, in two different handwritings.  This is because a small local church might keep a record and then report it to the main parish.  It's helpful when one of these records is neatly written.  BE AWARE THAT FOR SOME REASON THE COPIES MAY NOT BE IDENTICAL and that you should look at both because some pages may be missing from the original books or the copy.

3) If you have the misfortune of finding a paper - such as a typed letter - tape - over the exact part of the book page you want - you can still write to the archive and ask someone to look under there!  Sometimes there were two images taken - the paper moved for one of them.

4) Watch for the naming of other locations when reading records such as where the bride or groom was born or lives at this time.  Nat. is an abbreviation for native.  It loosely means the person was born there but in general it means that person has lived there a long time.  Just like you might be born in Chicago but have moved to Denver 30 years ago. You stopped telling people you are from Chicago long ago.

5) You may be wondering why the person writing the record - usually the priest - has such an interest in what a person's ancestry and legitimacy is...  Be blessed that they actually wrote so much because you'll have the names of another generation back quickly.  Yes, in some records, especially way back, there may be missing information on the baptism. Such as the name of the mother.  (I hate that!)  The inclusion of the name of the midwife in both Christian and Jewish records intrigues me.  I think it was to say "This person knows this baby belongs to this mother!"

C 2021- 2025 Magyar-American BlogSpot  All Rights Reserved Including Internet and International Rights

This post is part of a series on the subject.  To pull all the topics up, click on the tag Pro Genealogy Tips - Galicia

Saturday, January 8, 2022

GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH - LET'S GET STARTED : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #1

GENETEKA - USING THE POLISH GENEALOGY SOCIETY DATABASE for RESEARCH - LET'S GET STARTED : GENEALOGY PRO TIP #1

This post is part of a series on the subject.  To pull all the topics up, click on the tag Genealogy Tips - Galicia

Some of you who have Hungarian ancestry also have Polish ancestry, or/and Slovak or Ruthenian or Jewish or well, a "mixed" ethnic ancestry due to intermarriage in Europe or here in America. One of the main reasons a person may want to research using GENETEKA is that Galicia - a portion of Poland before and after the Austrian-Hungarian Empire - is part of this database. A challenge to all "Eastern European" research is the change of governments and borders.

I want to guide you in this research as I have in the past so those of you who read MAGYAR-AMERICAN BLOGSPOT for the genealogy tips and history should be interested in this.

GENETEKA is a volunteer driven group in Poland, the Polish Genealogical Society, and so it is a database in progress. SCANS link to exact pages or to other archives where you will personally scan through more images to get to what you want at other sites.  (There are also opportunities to post or reach indexers which do not translate into English.)

I want to assure you that when you begin to read church records closer to the shared border, you will find some surnames that are not Polish as well as mentions of places in Hungary, in particular if you are researching in a town known for a market, or for export or import of crops or wines.  You may also find some village names that are Hungarian because those villages were part of a parish system of keeping records. 

Merchants in particular seem to have found reason to marry in a Polish parish, having found their love there.*

You may also find reference to men who were in the military - The Austrian army - during the period of time when Austria ruled.

On occasion you will find mention of conversions, generally Jewish to Catholic.

And you will be challenged because there were significant intermarriages between Greek Catholics and Roman Catholics.

So take a look at the site and we'll begin!

THIS LINK IS TO A MAP GENETEKA GENEALOG Y POLAND

Here are some examples found reading the DUKLA, POLAND PARISH which includes several smaller settlements.

Scan 19 of 184 has the 1850 remarriage of Julianna Btazek, the daughter of Joannes Rajet and Mariann Sencel who is a native of Hungaria - the village is named but I can't make it out.  She is 52 and marrying a widower who is 60, Martin Gotezinski,

There is also the marriage of Josepha Catharina Bacr?  who was born in Falkessa (Kassa?) Bohemia.

* Note added Feb 3 2022. I'm also coming across a number of ex military men in their thirties marrying young women after exiting the military.

C 2022-2025 Magyar American BlogSpot  All Rights Reserved including Internet and International Rights

This post is part of a series on the subject.  To pull all the topics up, click on the tag Pro Genealogy Tips - Galicia


Saturday, March 30, 2019

ROSE OF BOHEMIA - FASCINATING


CENRTICI HYPOTHESES ORG - ROSE OF BOHEMIA  by Jack Keilo (Jacques Keilo) 

EXCERPT:  Today our map is the HOHEMIAU ROSA by CHr,. Vetter, Vienna, 1668, a map representing Bohemia s a rose centered on Prague.  

FIGURE 1. Rose of Bohemia, by Chr. Vetter, 1668
FIGURE 1. Rose of Bohemia, by Chr. Vetter, 1668

Rush to this sight which is truly fascinating. it shows how art and maps were used for the purpose of ethnocentricity, and of course it concerns also Hungary and national identity.

Friday, October 5, 2018

Friday, April 29, 2011

HEREND OFFICIAL SITE MUSEUM HISTORY ETC

Thought you'd like to link to HEREND since the gift of Hungary to William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, was a tea set of their porcelain china.  Queen Victoria was the first to purchase Herend - a Chinese style pattern.