PEACE PALOMA

UDVOZLET A MIKULASTOI

PERFECT PINE

THREE FOXES and LOG SLED

THANKSGIVING

THE MOST AMERICAN OF HOLIDAYS!

QUESTION FOR READERS: ARE YOU CONSIDERING MOVING TO HUNGARY?

Considering the turmoil of the Presidency and Presidential Elections here in the United States of America, as well as the desire of some Americans to live in Christian society, as well as the inability some face to retire in the United States financially, I've been wondering if my readers are considering MOVING TO HUNGARY.

As I understand it, in order to gain Hungarian citizenship, speaking the language is a requirement and it's not easy to learn.  However, it might be more easily learned living in Hungary.

Your COMMENTS please!

HUNGARY AS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY ACCEPTS CHRISTIAN REFUGEES

In recent times Hungary has been criticized for an anti-immigrant stance, a build the fence (if not the wall) policy.  While I'm not in favor of building a physical wall as a boundary between the United States and Mexico, I'm for a strong defense of our country. 

I'm sympathetic to this in Hungary because I understand that Hungary is first of all a small country (which would fit in the state of Indiana) and cannot economically or physically absorb millions of people from anywhere.  It was once three times as large.  Secondly because Hungary struggles or refuses to help it's own impoverished population, which includes Roma (gypsies) and the homeless (who are stereotyped as alcoholic loosers) which I personally do not think of Christianity in action and thus feel should be helped first as native Hungarians. Founded as a Christian country and with a Constitution which states it is a Christian country, Hungary became so after hundreds of years of the most horrendous experience with Moslem Turk invaders who killed off most of the population and destroyed towns, infrastructure, churches. Heroics in battles against the Turks resulted in the formation of a new nobility.  In recent times Hungary has decided that the country WILL TAKE IN CHRISTIAN REFUGEES. 

HERE ARE SOME ARTICLES TO CONSIDER:

THE GUARDIAN : VICTOR ORBAN DEPLOYS CHRISTIANITY

EXCERPT: Only 15% of Hungarians say they attend church on a weekly basis,but 80% identify as Christian. Orban, who started out in politics in the late 1980's as an anti-Communist activist with little time for religion, found God in the 1990's, and even remarried his wife in a religious ceremony.

IRISH TIME : REFUGEE HOSTILE HUNGARY URGES....

EXCERPT: Addressing a Budapest conference on threats facing Christian communities, Mr. Orban warned that "the fate of Christians in the Middle East should bring home to Europe that what is happening over there may also happen to us."

"Europe, however, is forcefully pursuing an immigration policy which results in letting extremists, dangerous extremists, into the territory of the European Union," he told an audience that included church leaders from the Middle East.

HUNGARIAN RESEARCHERS and THE SHOAH FOUNDATION at USC.

USC has been in the news lately for college entrance cheating scandals and sexual harassment charges against a campus doctor as well as senseless murders near campus. Located in an old part of Los Angeles known to have a high crime rate in recent times, this old institution is still said to provide the best and perhaps the most expensive in Southern California. USC is also known for the SHOAH Foundation, which has recorded the testimonials of HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS. 

OVER 50,000 interviews 56 countries 32 languages - including HUNGARY.

ACCESS TO SHOAH FOUNDATION (Partial Information)

My understanding is that you can go into the archive and use databases there, but also there is some access through other institutions and libraries via the Internet/Databases.  Notice that the video is put out by PROQUEST. 

SZATMARCSEKE GRAVE MARKERS TELKIBANYA HUNGARY

ATLAS OBSCURA - SZATMARCSEKE GRAVE MARKERS

EXCERPT: Szatmarcseke is a small village in Hungary, located close to the border with Ukraine.  IT contains a rather peculiar cemetery, where nearly all the approximately 600 grave markers are carved from dark oak in the shape of upturned boats bearing human like faces. ...  (The cemetery also contains the marble tombs of the Kolcsey family, including that of Ference Kolcsey, a Hungarian poet and politician who wrote the Hungarian national anthe and died there in 1838)

Imagine picking out the tree wood that will once day be your tomb marker!

CELESTIAL DANCE - HUNGARIAN SHAMAN SONG - ALTHAIRA CSILLAGOK TANCA

The ancient Hungarian religion was about SHAMANISM, going between worlds, and this illustration  at the front of the video of the tree of life and a shaman with 7 fingers is indicative.

CHANGING LEAVES

MAGYAR AMERICAN BLOGSPOT

DRACONIAN CAVES and REPTILE PEOPLE : HUNGARIAN HUNGARIAN/AMERICAN STEREOTYPES

 

Although VAMPIRES have captured our imaginations in pop-culture books and films, it concerns me that there are people on earth who think that Hungarians (from the days when Transylvania was not Romania) are not just related to Vlad Tepes the Impaler like Prince Charles is, but that present day people are, due to their DNA or bloodtypes, actually being born and bred in a place called "The Draconian Caves," a place you will NOT find on any map or on Google Earth.  These people may actually be part REPTILE, which of course links into conspiracy theories of ALIEN-HUMAN hybrids and thus linked to EVIL. The Reptilian theory has something to do with copper levels in the blood and is also linked to having RED HAIR.

Red hair is in my family. 

Now BLOOD TYPES and the differences in human biology because of BLOOD TYPES is of interest to me.  I've read all the Blood Type Diet books by D'Adamo and think there is something to the idea that populations evolved along with the food they were eating depending on if they were Hunter-Gatherers, Agriculturalists, or Nomads. It's possible that your body adapted or mutated to eat some animals and plants as your ancestors have been for thousands of years for benefit and that others are going to be perceived by your body as allergens. I've met people who swear that when they stuck to their blood-type diet they just naturally lost weight, their skin cleared up, their breathing improved, and most of all, their energy levels went way up.

But if you start reading around Draconian Caves and Reptilians then you also begin to realize that there are some scary people out there who may possibly use this fantastical belief of theirs to start isolating and killing other humans. And it get's tied into END TIMES and SATAN.

While I'm complaining here, I'm also concerned that the extremely popular (among born again Christians) series LEFT BEHIND, makes the ANTICHRIST an Eastern European - actually a RUSSIAN.

We are considered ALIENS - strange -  dangerous - possibly not 100% human - and thus targeted - due to ethnicity.  

It really makes me want to sharpen my talons. 


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HOUDINI 's DEATH DEFYING MYSTERY

THE GREAT HARRY HOUDINI COM SITE

TILLA TOROK's BAND - THE SPIRIT OF TENGRI

THE HISTORIAN by ELIZABETH KOSTOVA : MAGYAR AMERICAN BOOK REVIEW

I read this book while dog-sitting in a room shaded from the sunny afternoons near the Pacific. 

Ah well, surrounded by dogs in bed with me, including my own beloved pooch, who did not hide her jealousy well, I was frequently disrupted from my concentration. I stuck with it, thinking that so many people I've met hear "Hungarian" and immediately think of vampires, of Transylvania, and well, there are actually descendants of Vlad Tepes - Drakyula - Dracula - Vlad the Impaler - who is honored for keeping the Turks out of his Principality - and whose tactics have actually been used in modern times by other bizarre, evil, mentally ill, personalities - alive today.  Prince Charles, who is not evil or mentally ill, is one of them and so might you be. 

I also thought that some of you might want to do some reading that gives you the creeps and though my copy was rife with high recommendations and this book came out over a decade ago, I decided to persist in reading it so I could yea or ney the critics.

"The Historian" is a very researched, very detailed, very intellectual, very long, book. Throughout the writing creates a tension in the reader that persists as the author, Elizabeth Kostova, drops subtle hints along the way. Some you'll figure out right away, others not. The dramatic parts sneak up on you, kind of like a vampire.

If you like diplomats, grad students, academic travel, university conferences, European travel, libraries, librarians, archives, and books, especially ancient books that mysteriously appear in study alcoves and on office desks bearing a dragon motif that makes one addicted to the pursuit of Vlad...  If you find tiny tattoos of the same dragon motif on the shoulders of maidens curious... If you like monasteries and monks, churches and priests, village women who sing folk songs and walk on burning coals without injury, graves under floors, graves guarded by monks,  dark stone cellars were the undead persist, cloves of garlic stuffed in pockets, silver bullets and silver daggers, as well as the love stories of innocents, this tome might be one for you.

Something about it, the language, the pacing, the mentalities, feels to be from past centuries. Despite the fact that some of it is played out in the 1950's during the Communist occupation of Hungary and the Balkans, as well as the 1970's, it just doesn't feel like it.  

Not once did the sun come out.

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THE MYSTERY OF HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE PART 1 by VERDISYOFI

It's a good point: Different Languages are Different WAYS OF THINKING!

A WONDERFUL HUNGARIAN / HUNGARIAN AMERICAN COOKBOOK

ZSUZSASCOOKBOOK BLOGSPOT = WONDERFUL HUNGARIAN COOKING  New link here May 31, 2024

Canadian of Hungarian Heritage, Zsuzsa has given us fantastic recipes to follow!

EXCERPT:  From LENTIL STEW - LENCSE FOZELEK
This is a repost with a motto.  If your lentils and green peas end up in the same jar, separate them or discard the whole lot, because nothing good can come from cooking them together.

“Még nyílnak a völgyben a kerti virágok,

Még zöldel a nyárfa az ablak előtt,

De látod amottan a téli világot?

Már hó takará el a bérci tetőt.”

Petőfi Sándor, Szeptember végén

The flowers still bloom in the valley gardens.

The tree is still green outside the window.

But over there can you see the winter’s world?

Mountain tops already wrapped in snow.

Sándor Petőfi, September’s End

Yes fall is upon us. Bitterly cold air blew two weeks ago when grandchild and I embarked on a bit of shopping. I don’t know why but I thought of lentil stew as we made our way from the car to the mall. And so here is what I made from a new bag of lentils. Now that’s much better. This is real lencsefőzelék. I don’t cook it for New Years out of principle. Nobody can accuse me with superstitions, because knock on wood, I don’t have one.

AUTUMN FRUIT HARVEST

HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE in 1195 and NOW!

PROSTITUTION IN HUNGARY - IT'S LEGAL - SORT OF : SEX WORKERS ARE DESTITUTE - AND GO TO AMSTERDAM

EUROZINE: THE BANKOK OF EUROPE by Reka Kinga Papp

I know that Hungarian women are stereotyped as "hot blooded" and sexy.  However, having a lover of choice - even having lovers of choice - and mutually making love - is entirely different than having sex with anyone who is willing to pay you and catering to their desires.  It's a lifestyle I personally cannot imagine.Yet, because of intense poverty, it's a lifestyle that some women in this world get into. I want so much more for the women of this world. And prayerfully I must suspend personal judgement.

EXCERPT: So much so that there are streets in Amsterdam's red-light district famously known colloquially, among social workers, police and sex workers, as NYIREGYHAZA, after the regional centre of an exceptionally depressed region in north-eastern Hungary which, along with its surrounding villages, supplies these same streets with sex providers.

BARTOK - 15 HUNGARIAN PEASANT SONGS

DENES KAPITANY put some wonderful pictures on his video! Thanks!

HUNGARIAN FLOWER MANDALA

MAKE TIMELINES FOR EACH OF YOUR ANCESTORS - WHAT WAS THE EFFECT OF PANDEMICS? STRATEGY #10

I'm a believer in doing TIME LINES for each individual on your chart. Start a page when you find a record of the birth/baptism and add to it as you discover the birth of siblings, the death of parent's, remarriages and so on.  It helps to understand their individual lives.

The timeline begins with Birth and Baptism.

It can include First Holy Communion, or Confirmation, the Conversion to another religion.

It can include Military Service.

Marriage, and the birth of siblings and children that change the size of the family, and their Deaths.

The Remarriages, and thus the Step Parenthood.

Education.

Travel to another country - emigration or immigration.  What was their motivation?
Ship records - the name of the ship - what it looked like - what their voyage was probably like.
Naturalization Records - always great to have.  If you're just starting your genealogy for Industrial Era Immigration, the World War I draft registration (which included men who were not yet citizens) often has details such as the town or village and country the man left.

You also want to include:

Important times in History they lived through. Locally and in the larger world.

Do some research around these events.

For instance, were your family members involved in any Uprisings or Military Action, any Politics? 

Were they refugees?  Were they relocated?  Did they flee?

Sometimes this is a way of weaving family oral histories into your research and proof the oral histories.

As you add to the timeline, you start to get a feel for your ancestor's life. This is a much richer genealogy for her than charts that seem to only be about a person's direct genetic lines. You may also notice how long they lived, what they died of, and of any genetic patterns emerge.

Earlier I mentioned that if you are Hungarian or Hungarian American, then your ancestors managed to reproduce despite the population being decimated by invaders who killed off much of the population repeatedly.  THEY MAY ALSO HAVE BEEN SURVIVORS OF EPIDEMICS!

For instance, in about 1831/1832 I started finding a large number of illegitimate births in a particular small town.  Knowing that this was taboo, often resulting in a lowered status at a time when status was important and the way communities were organized, and also often resulted in higher rates of death for the children of a single mother, I wondered what had happened? Had the women been raped? Of course I can't know if they were or not - maybe I tripped across a town where people took to the woods and had an orgy - but then I learned that about this time CHOLERA was making its way through Europe and it was so frightening that a person could take ill suddenly in the morning and be dead by afternoon, having been perfectly healthy. Their vomiting was so intense that victims turned blue and then they dehydrated seriously causing organ failure. My suspicion is that there was so much death, so many graves being dug and so many funerals, all the while not knowing if you were next, so much fear, that many people responded to an instinct for life and had sex.

By the way, the tradition in Hungary is that BAPTISMALS and FUNERALS were for immediate family but WEDDINGS were for the village.

HISTORY CHANNEL ON CHOLERA PANDEMICS.

How did your family make it through the SPANISH FLU PANDEMIC of 1918, which took about 500 million people to death, more than died in World War I? 

SMITHSONIAN - HOW THE SPANISH FLU WENT AROUND THE WORLD
EXCERPT: The toll of history's worst epidemic surpasses all the military deaths in World War I and World War II combined. And it may have begun in the United States. 

I read this on one site: The Great Plague of 1738 was an outbreak of the BUBONIC PLAGUE between 1738- 1740 that affected areas in the modern nations of Romania, Hungary, Ukraine, Serbia, Croatia, and Austria.  On another, particular to Great Britain and Plague, well it turns out that decimation of populations actually relaxed class barriers to marriage.

Include the Pandemics on your timeline even if your ancestor lived through them!

Also of great interest to me as we face climate change is 1816 THE YEAR WITHOUT A SUMMER. The sun didn't make it through thick volcanic ash clouds around the world (including the United States) and there was crop failures, starvation, people moving to warmer locations.  The people did not understand what was happening and some took it to be End Times.  FARMERS ALMANAC 1816 YEAR WITHOUT SUN 

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OLD HUNGARIAN NAMING PATTERNS and ILLEGITIMACY - ORPHANS - SURNAMES : USING FAMILY SEARCH FOR HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY RESEARCH - STRATEGY #9

WHAT'S IN A NAME? 

My genealogy research experience shows that NAMING children, giving them a name also called a "given name" is very tied in with class and status in those pre-immigration Hungarian and Slovak -held records. 

Yet one cannot assume that someone with a common name was considered to be a commoner. The father's status or profession is on those BAPTISMAL Records. If the mother was born a noble but the father is not, it will say so. This will be in evidence the further back from 1848/1849 you go and persists in many records forward of 1848/1849. On some records of the 1820's and before, there will be a record of status rather than profession i.e Nobilis, Subinquillis, etc. which can link you to that Urbarium 1767. 

For the average Hungarian - the farmers and craftsman and merchants and tradespeople - there seems to have been limited number of given names to use when naming the new baby. I've read that parents who experienced (and almost expected) that some of their children were going to die before ever reaching adulthood, the repetition of names was about the hope for a replacement child for the one who died.  I think there was more tradition behind naming children.

For the high noble you will see the naming gets more exotic or original and it seems like the more names, the higher the status. For the average Hungarian you have Janos (John), Andras (Andrew), Istvan (Steven), Maria (Mary), Erszebet (Elizabeth), Anna (Ann).  If you find an Apollonia well, I've seen the name along with "illegitimate" recorded several times, but have also seen the name in centuries old genealogy charts. 

As far as an honorific name, it's usually that the first son will be named after a father, the first daughter named after the mother. However, the naming continues on predictably from there. The first son named Janos dies, the next son born will be given the name Janos.  Ditto the first child named Maria, and so on. If you notice the same couple reusing a name that's a clue that you should look for the DEATH RECORD of the first children so named who died. 

Every once in a while I will see a Latinate mention that the son is a "Junior." This generally means the father with the same name is still alive.  As soon as he dies, Junior is no longer a Junior. If he has also named a son with his name, he is then the Senior and the younger is the Junior.

In Hungary two brothers who were born of different mothers - who were close - were called "brothers of a different mother."  Egy masik anya testverei.   

The commoner given names and order of names given are so repetitive I tend to think of them as Number One Son, Number Two Son, Number Three Son. Families that manage to have many children who survive into adulthood will start using more names but still, these names seem to be from the standard list. Zsuzsanna and Julianna and Rozalia may indicate that this child is a much younger daughter. But when you go into the records of wealthier, noble, you could say more worldly people, people who travel more, you find more diversity of given names, and a greater number of names for a child. Some of these names recall the Ancient Romans. Gyula (Julius) for an example, or Old Testament Bible characters (Ezekiel as an example.) 

The Germanic influence is that children be given more than one name from birth, usually two. This is a pattern that has become All American as well. Additionally, it's Germanic that a child might go through life being called by their middle or other name.

(The Ruthenians, also known as Carpathian Rusyn, have their own honorific naming pattern. A naming pattern can indicate an ethnicity.)

I notice that some Hungarian immigrants to the United States continued the Hungarian naming pattern. Others used the first original names in the family in hundreds of years for their American born!

After seeing so many single names on BAPTISMAL records, be careful when you see two names that you are not assuming it's one child with a first and middle name. Two sets of godparents are a clue if the priest has not written in a word for twins such as gemelli. (I found an indexed record for twin sisters that FAMILYSEARCH indexing has listed as one girl baby with two names.)

On occasion I see that the priest has written in that the child was "premature" and sometimes a death cross and date is on the record. Premature sometimes is included because the child was born close to the marriage date. Or the child was baptized by a midwife or someone else. Recently, one in which it was explained that a twin was born dead but the obstetrician baptized them both. That means the couple had means to have a doctor there at the birth which is unusual. Baba means midwife in Hungarian. Szulesz means obstetrician. Orvos means doctor.

Note that the BIRTH DATE is most often 2-3 days before the BAPTISMAL date in Hungarian records, but the baptismal could have been weeks or months after the birth. Sometimes a birth and baptismal date that is the same indicates the child was baptized right away because it was sickly or premature. Sometimes it was baptized the same day of birth because the priest made home visits or the chapel was down the street. Family members also baptized infants. The sacrament of Baptism was very important to Christians of every variety in the Old Country.

That the record is a "church record" does not mean the child was baptized in the building of the church. At a couple days old the parents might take the child over to the church.  

Sometimes a family with means would take a child to the next town where the church was more impressive, the seat of the diocese, or simply had a larger seating capacity, and have a baptism there rather than their village church. Doing so was probably a little closer to our idea of Baptism today rather than the simple ceremony in a small village church or chapel.

Illegitimacy: If the record says the child is illegitimate but the a father's name appears this means that he has acknowledged he's the father. It's rare. Look for him in the records: The couple may be engaged and appear in marriage records later. He may just be a married man. (At the time the father's acknowledgement implied financial support and could also imply the child will have an inheritance.)

If there is no name - unknown father - well, as I have read about this - probably everyone in town knows who the father is - knows who has been meeting in the barn - or who has even raped a woman - the priest even knows - but cannot write that down.

Legitimacy was tied in with inheritance rights. It was a legal status and very important in a class conscious society. That the priest cannot change, no matter what his wisdom, belief, or feelings about a situation.  

Other notations I've seen about illegitimacy include a priest writing in that the girl - the mother - is a SERVANT.  I hate it but back in the day servant girls becoming pregnant by their employer or another man living in the house she worked in or around the farm were not uncommon. Sexual harassment in employment is not new. A servant girl was usually a young, innocent girl, an orphan or from a poor family. She had no defenders. She may have no inheritance coming - no dowry. Expectations that a poor girl would not resist the noble also came into play. The fact that people with small houses could have servants who lived in and slept across the room from the family and did not provide a separate room with a lock and key also meant unmarried sex.

Affairs: I came across one child marked illegitimate in which the GODPARENTS were a couple nobles : there's a story there.  Also came across the mother of an illegitimate child who came from a rather noble family herself. More story. In wonderment I also located a noble woman who had seven illegitimate children!  Since they survived and seemed to have the usual spacing of a couple years apart (breastfeeding can prevent conception!) I call her "Someone's Mistress!"  Unlike the abandoned prostitute or sexually harassed and raped maid whose children usually died of starvation at a higher rate than usual (such suffering!) this woman was likely being supported by a man with another legitimate family, a noble, or baron. 

I have to wonder if the father was the Godfather and the Godmother knew it.

How many Godfathers were actually fathers and how many Godmother's knew it?

Did you know that the Old Country Hungarians sometimes had duels?

I think we all have notions that pre sexual revolution 1960's in the U.S. people were rather prim and proper and would not have sex unless married. But as I see illegitimate births on old records into the 1700's I ask WHY then? Little to no good contraception has something to do with it. 

A consequence of DNA tests versus good old fashioned genealogy is that affairs and rapes are revealed. 

One academic paper I read said that the better the times economically the more illegitimate children, the more children in general.  Good crops, a good year for wine, more play!  (I have to smile.  I would rather these ancestors had moments of wild abandon than be unwilling participants of sex.)

In the church records I also see a lot of babies born to single women in the very late 1800's where the priest has written illegitimate "Father is in America." I imagine the promises made to wait and be sent for.  As you Magyar-Americans probably know, the streets here were not paved in gold after all. Our ancestors were a hard working people. Some of the men came to the United States to work in factories and then went back to Hungary to work in the fields for the summer.  Some immigrant men - not just Hungarians - left their past behind including women they married - and started new families or were so ashamed of being unable to send money back that they disappeared.

In my own genealogy, I have an ancestor widower who married a pregnant noble woman who had been widowed during pregnancy.  She was Lutheran. He Catholic. She is listed as Lutheran throughout her pregnancies thereafter. I wonder if they were having an affair before marriage or if he simply stepped up to be the father and man of the house to a pregnant woman. If a person didn't join the priesthood, the nunnery, the monastery and vow to celibacy, then they were married - and married - and married.  One paper I read said that three marriages was the official limit! (Let me know if you have evidence of someone who married more!)

Mention that the child is an orphan:  I've seen this on MARRIAGE RECORDS. In the 19th century though in Europe, an orphan was a child without a father - no one to support it - and that was part of the mentality that a child was owned by the father. However, if you see that someone is listed as an orphan, look for the deaths of both parents as it seems our more modern definition of an orphan as having no parents alive prevailed. Sometimes a remarriage of a parent is more subtle. One marriage record (circa 1802) says that Maria is the daughter of a man surname Sikora but throughout the other records her maiden surname is Simko. I'm seeking the death record of her birth father to proof this and a remarriage record for her mother. Sometimes if an unmarried mother died in childbirth or soon after the child is mentioned as an orphan on the BAPTISMAL record. We need to take the 19th century notion of an orphan into consideration and find the death records of the parents.

You may come across terminology such as FOUNDLING or BASTARD. My recent reading about illegitimacy in the 19th century and prior to this has clarified some things for me.  

A FOUNDLING was not necessarily also illegitimate and didn't have the same stigma. This was a child who was put out because the living parent(s) were too poor to care for it.  A foundling might be placed in an orphanage run by a convent. The infant didn't necessarily have to be exposed to the elements. On the church steps would do. The idea was that the parents hoped someone would find it and keep it. 

I once read about a hospital in 19th century Paris that actually had anonymous infant drop off, sort of like our Legal Surrender Program in California. There was something like a revolving door on the outside of the hospital where a baby could be placed. Here in California, a desperate mother who cannot care for her child can walk into a fire station and drop it off and will not be prosecuted, unlike those who do throw a baby in a dumpster or on a roadside. Moses of the Bible was a Foundling. 

No doubt about it, an illegitimate child had status only higher than a slave. Illegitimate children tended to 1) also have illegitimate children 2) die at twice the rate as children born into a marriage, usually because the mother was too poor and alone in the world to feed it or had been abandoned or disowned by her family - so sad! 3) marry each other since they had the same status.

As a result of giving into wild abandon or being seduced and abandoned or raped and left devastated, a woman who had a child without a husband to support it lost her status. Her options for marriage were not so good. People who did not follow the custom of marriage first were suspected of being irresponsible because they had not thought of how they would keep their own offspring alive. I suspect that this may account for some noble women who had a child without a husband being married by commoners.  As I understand it, and I suspect this may have depended on exactly when or where it happened, a woman who was born noble but married a commoner did not confer her status on her children.  (But a father with no sons could give his daughter or daughters an inheritance.)

A bastard was defined as a child whose parents were not married at the time. We now say illegitimate, if we say it at all, to mean any child whose parents are not married to each other, whatever their marital status is. The priests tended to use "unknown father" rather than get into the details, but I've heard that some other researchers have found notes such as "child of the saddle" (!?!?!)  Actually that terminology indicates that the father passed through town as a soldier or other man on horseback - a traveler.

A child who was born a bastard or illegitimate as their legal status could become legitimate and able to inherit through the marriage of its parents later.  Or, if the father had no other MALE HEIRS, he could chose to legally admit to his fathering, recognize the son as his own, and then the son could inherit.

When you look through nobility records you sometimes see that someone - with a rather common name - is also ALIAS another name. (In some texts another term is used such as mask.)  This is usually meant to discern that a certain person HAS OTHER (often noble) FAMILY HERITAGE and is PART OF THAT OTHER FAMILY too or that they are part of a CLAN of names (who can also share crests or shields).  An alias or mask can also indicate that an adoption took place. Use of two surnames, one alias, happened also because of inheritance. The male line died out and a son in law or other relative inherited and thus carried both names.

One time I found a marriage record in Gonc-Ruska, Abauj County, Hungary that had an amazing notation. The bride was of noble birth - an incredibly prestigious name, but an ORPHAN. The translation, of the notes the priest made on the marriage record, said she and her groom were given a special dispensation to marry.  Clearly this girl was marrying the brother - not blood - that she was raised with. The dispensation was not that they were raised together. It was that she was a noble and he was not, but, it said "the boy is a Knight!" I've wondered if that meant he was a Knight in Shining Armor to marry her or if this means his family was from the lower nobility while her surname indicates one of the highest nobility. You ask yourself "Why would that be any of the business of the Church?" Yet it was, because of the legalities implied by marriage, for the priest to make a notation that would support inheritance rights.

And I'm always reminded that we take for granted the progress of medical science, our personal cleanliness and that of the water we drink, the vaccines that are so effective because plague and other illnesses, not understood, were equal opportunity diseases, effecting all classes of people.  We no longer think of these diseases as curses or think of people who had the ability to heal as witches.

I recently came across a record that on the marriage said something like "Janos Lakatos, son of Andras Toth and Maria Klein," clearly indicating that Janos had a different father than Andras Toth. Worth checking in a case like this is a previous marriage for Maria, and the death of the birth father.

A 20 year old man died with his parents already recently dead and so was marked on his DEATH RECORD that he died as an orphan. 

On one marriage record the Latin orphanus was included perhaps to explain that no family showed up from the bride's side.

As adoptions go, I believe these were generally informal, not requiring legal paperwork among commoners. A child would simply go live in with a family willing to take it in. Sometimes this was the Godparents, an uncle or aunt, sister or brother. Sometimes the informally adopting parents had enough love and food and sometimes they had a farm and worked the child. Children typically started working around the age of 10 around the house and farm. They were treated much more like adults when they became 13. 13 was the age of manhood or womanhood.  And so in medieval times and among those who didn't have to work for an income, 14 year old girls were betrothed, arranged to be married. Often their grooms were about the same age or a little older, sometimes much older. (That said, consummation was not always immediate and could wait until a ceremony. The families hoped the couple would naturally take to each other. While the older bride and groom were offered a time to be alone during their ceremony for this purpose.) 

To my amazement. I just found a church record for a village in what is now Slovakia in which the priest wrote out a whole paragraph about how the couple HAD LIVED TOGETHER WITHOUT MARRIAGE FOR FIVE YEARS on the marriage record and so their child was now legitimate!  I noted that the husband's rank was higher than the wife's.  I can just imagine a scenario in which his family objects to the match and the couple agree to go against all morality and religion and live together to prove they are compatible.  Maybe they waited till his parents died and he got his inheritance.

To read more about fertility and illegitimacy in Hungary read Ference Ajus' work called Illegitimacy in Hungary 1880-1910 which is available as a PDF download.

Try this link CITESEERX-PSU-EDU Ference Ajus Hungary

If anyone has seen civil or ecclesiastical adoption records from Hungary prior to 1920, please let me know!

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ORANGE STARTER

GO TO DIGITIZED MICROFILM - STOP WASTING TIME - BE SUSPICIOUS OF UNPROOFED FAMILY TREES : USING FAMILYSEARCH FOR HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY RESEARCH - STRATEGY #8

How do you find which of many parental candidates, all those common names, for your ancestor are the right ones? 

I posted about this a while back but allow me to go into more detail. To recap, I mentioned that when recreating families with common names in the same location we notice if there are births indicating overlapping pregnancies such as the same couple seemingly having two babies within a year. We know it's possible but not likely that a woman is going to have two pregnancies in a year. We have to be careful also that we don't think an individual woman has had, say, 16 children over 40 years; it can happen but it's probably two women with the same name.  House numbers and the names of Godparents and sometimes the witnesses to marriages can give us clues.

Recently on FAMILYSEARCH I linked to someone else's research that was just aweful. I'm about ready to contact FAMILYSEARCH and tell them this person's contributions to the site are sloppy, unproofed, and deceiving, but as I read it, once it's up it's up.  I found he had put up whole family trees (which remain if he quits his free membership) in which he had parents of the same name and over ten children and the dates would indicate that the mother would have been giving birth for 30 years. Even if they traveled around Hungary having children, he offers no marriages, no deaths. It would take hours to check his work.  AND I DO NOT LIKE IT THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GIVEN ID NUMBERS : I DO NOT WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS OR HAVE ANY OF MY RESEARCH LINKED TO ANY OF HIS as these ID NUMBERS will then MERGE THE WORK.  SOMEONE FOLLOWING MY professional standards RESEARCH WILL BE FOOLED BY HIS sloppy work!

When using FAMILYSEARCH for Hungarian/Slovak genealogy note that the red link - the "fine print" for searching the INDEX encourages you to think that the FAMILYSEARCH DATABASE of Hungarian or Slovakian church records is comprehensive, it's not. IT SHOULD SAY "The BAPTISMS are INDEXED" not that the (CHURCH) RECORDS are. (Even then there are images not available for some films for whatever reasons and though it's implied that the original film was index but then withheld or lost or some governmental privacy issue has emerged, TRY THE LOCAL ARCHIVES IN HUNGARY.) This misinformation is really sloppy on the part of LDS/ FAMILYSEARCH considering that their aim is to dominate the provision of genealogy/historical records in this world.  

You need to look at the images from the film whenever available. You need to find the MARRIAGES, DEATHS, REMARRIAGES and if at all possible read/translate the notes.

Here is how I get close to the record I need without wasting hours on end though I still wish I had the time back used to get closer to the information I need.

Let's say I have reason to believe that an ancestor I'm looking for was born in a certain location; maybe it wasn't transcribed right, maybe the surname was totally screwed up by the person who originally hand wrote it, or the indexer didn't know what they were doing,  It's just isn't coming up no matter how I play games with letters and so on to bring it up.

I want to get to, say, 1849 and that place on the microfilm.

By first going to the film number and then searching for ANYONE born in 1849, I get to that part of the film, which saves me time.

Alternately, going to the film number will bring up an option to see many small blackish squares. Some of them will clearly look like start pages because they have more white on them. Click on those to find where you are. It would be helpful to know on which image death collections or marriage collections within a film number start and end without even having to waste time scanning like this.  Sadly the only way to do that is to scan the film since the BAPTISMALS, MARRIAGES, and DEATHS will probably not be by year but by category and then year.  So if a film has 700 images, I go to 350 and see what's there.  I might go to 100 and see what's there.  To 550 and see what's there. I take notes for the next time I go to that film.

You want to see if YOU agree with the indexing. (A recent update at FAMILYSEARCH that has the potential to really screw things up is the ability for ANYONE TO EDIT a name!  Read the edits carefully and go to the original to see if you agree. I've found a number of surnames listed incompletely. Sometimes if the name is a long one, and the person who was handwriting paused to redip into the inkwell and took a pause between parts of the name, the indexer didn't know what they were looking at and the name is missing parts. I've found a number of the suffix szke separated from the beginning of the surname. 

Consider that you could have ordered a microfilm back in the day, payed for it, waited for it, rushed to the closest Family History Library upon hearing it was in, and rolled the microfilm page by page, because the loan was only going to be for about 10 days. Yes, you have gratitude that this information is currently free. Still, you have to hone patience. 

Remember to take breaks to rest your eyes, stretch, drink some fresh water or hot tea.

Once you have your film number and start scanning, write down the image number ie. image 68 or 675 as a example - to return to it later. There is a SOURCE BOX feature. I've noticed that when using my cell phone to save some of the information is not saved though it said it was. Luckily you can delete records held in SOURCE BOX.

I recreated a large family group but with a six-year gap of births. While perhaps in those six years the couple didn't have any pregnancies or went through early miscarriages, I went into the film and looked at that six years and sure enough, there was the person I was looking for - a sibling who did not come up probably because of one of the previously mentioned issues of transcription.

Go to deaths and marriages and scan each page especially if a person was a widow or widower at remarriage.  Very likely there are half siblings, step siblings, or some other evidence of BLENDED FAMILIES. The reason so many people in a village collaborated with each other for childcare was that they were often interrelated!  

When you have MANY candidates to be the parents of a child, some in the town of marriage, some somewhere else, you have no choice but to develop multiple family groups in order to eliminate some of them.  By understanding who married, who died, and when, you'll see blended families emerge. I'm working on several surnames where this is the case.  In my own family at least two marriages per person due to the deaths of women who bore many children is common.

I just translated a death record that said, "I do not know why this person died." His wife had died less than a year earlier and young. The couple had also experienced the death of one twin. I even wondered if he committed suicide!  I find this to be an unusual statement, one I don't see repeated.

One of my ancestors experienced seven of her siblings and their parent's death before she married. That left her with a brother and a sister.  She and her sister came to America.  When she married, she married a much older recently widowed man whose first wife had seven births, with four children left to stepmother - the first she no doubt played with in the school yard.

Few women in pre-1900 Hungary lived long enough to experience menopause, most experienced repetitive childbirth throughout their adult lives and I think it wore them out. 

Most widowed husbands remarried and often quickly and pragmatically.

Infant mortality was high, as many as 2 out of 3 children were orphaned before they were adults. Parents experienced the deaths of their children. Siblings experienced the death of their siblings. The priest must have been busy.  Was there time for grief? Funerals were frequent. TB, smallpox, cholera, typhus, infections, broken bones, childbirth, and many diseases we have conquered or gotten control of (such as the "long illness" of mysterious cancers), were equal opportunity with no respect for status or wealth. (Go get vaccinated!)

I recently read that the Black Plague killed so many people in Europe that people started being less status-driven when it came to remarriage.  That mixed the genes. (The Black Plague did not affect Central and Eastern Europe as badly as it did England.)

If you identify as a Hungarian or Hungarian-American, consider this. You are alive today because your ancestors managed to reproduce with all these threats to their lives. They lived long enough to reproduce despite plagues. They also, depending on where in Hungary they were, managed to reproduce though (estimated up to) half the population was killed by Mongols circa 1241 and then two thirds had been killed by the Ottoman Turks by 1568. 

And now we have to put up with people who think some of us came from "Draconian Caves" or are "Reptile People."

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PAINTERLY BLOSSOMS

THAT ORIGINAL HORRIBLE HANDWRITING and the DATABASE INDEX : USING FAMILYSEARCH FOR HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY RESEARCH - STRATEGY #7

If you use databases such as FAMILYSEARCH and you go to the original microfilm/books you know you've got to deal with the handwriting - the penmanship, the loop de loops, the exaggerations, the abbreviations, the ethnic variables of forming letters, while trying to come up with ways to bring up on the database Janos, as Johannes, Johan, Jo., John, Ivan, and so on.  I found Julianna, Julia, Julis, and Ju - or was that Iu? (And there are ethnic variations such as Illya!) You definitely should try ethnic variations of the name and nicknames. And then there are the surnames. 

So, you make a list. (Is all this database search tweaking fun?  NO!)

If the name does not come up with the proper T. Try spelling it with an I. with a Y.  (I had a T come up as a G!) 

Is that Y or a U?  Below is the GERMAN 1890 "perfect penmanship" called Kurrent, from Wikipedia. Hungarian children were going to school and learning to speak, read and write German.

The best thing to do is find yourself a patch of the same handwriting on the same document and look for words that you are guaranteed correct, such as the word for BAPTISM, or the way the MONTHS are written, or the often elaborate headings.  Look for how that particular person who hand wrote it forms their capital letters and so on.

But also check Hungarian surname lists which are available on web sites featuring surnames from current phone books, as an example. For instance, there has been confusion on databases and elsewhere between the handwritten names TAKACS, TAKATS, LUKACS, LUKATS, FEKETES, LAKATOS.  Knowing the MEANING of the surname may help somewhat.   (Weaver, Luke (There are surnames relating to the writers of the New Testament/Bible Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John), Black, Locksmith.)

Also, as an example, I see the same family surname TAKACS written TAKACS, TKATS, TAKACH, TKACH, TAKAS, though some families brought forward one of those spellings as their official spelling and another did not, sometimes it IS the same family.  Again, by building the family in the same town you will note that you may have to search for ALL the variations in order to find what you're looking for. The same family can have their name spelled one way in an area that is highly populated by Slovaks but when they live in Hungary surrounded by Hungarians, another. (The variation may or may not indicate an ethnicity.)

Good news.  You can scan the FAMILYSEARCH using * not only at the END of a name, but at the beginning of the name.  Up to three * at a time. So try *szke  or  *szk* or even this: T*k*c* Eliminating vowels helps since these can appear inconsistent.

Another thing for which the * search is useful, is the change of endings of surnames in Hungary and Slovakia.  The SZKI turned into SKI or SKY, the TH turned into just T, the LAI turned into LAY or LEY, and the DRAI, turned into DRA, DREY, a AI at the end of the name, turned into I, Y, even IY.

Also, notice that the letter s is written as f (and visa versa). And the letter j is often turned into a y.

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SAINT STEPHEN'S DAY

MY ADVENTURES IN DOG SITTING - IT'S EXHAUSTING

I write about my dog adventures on this blog and I'm so glad I have a place to vent.

Months ago I made friends with another dog lover, a person who has rescued three dogs - Small, Medium, and Large - non shedding ones like mine.  In each case, at the City Shelter, he was told he was the last chance for the dog. When my dog and me first met these dogs, lead by Small, they could bark while we talked for over an hour.  My dog was calm throughout.  Finally, he said he thought, if we spent more time together with the dogs, they would calm down. It worked. Now, when we visit these dogs, me and my dog are not the recipients of their outrage. I can also leave her with the other dogs at his house for a couple hours so we can go out without them.

I accepted to dog sit for him when he went on vacation. We didn't even discuss money and I was happy when he did come back with a gift and a stipend and truth is, I sort of welcomed a new environment by the sea for a week.  By the end of that week the dogs were walking well with me.  In the morning when I called them to go out, they all ran down the stairs, even Small, who slept in bed with me every night. Despite trying to keep to his feeding and walking schedule for them there was one problem.  They all pooped on the carpet.  Small pooped on the carpet a lot.  I picked up and spotted but when he came home he had to steam clean the carpet.

So this last week, when again dog sat for him, I thought I was prepared. I brought with me reading and research I wanted to organize and promised myself that I was going to go to the beach at least once and also would get a good facial. I also had the personal goal of making it through the week with no pooping or peeing on the carpet by any of them.  

Small had lost his fangs recently and was being spoon fed. He hid for the first 12 hours and then ate a mush I made using the blender, a combo of white rice, green beans, and dry kibble that I read about on the Internet when I looked up how to feed an old toothless dog.  After that he began to eat like it was going out of style, eagerly lapping up smooshed wet food.  At least he wasn't going to die on my watch. 

All went well until day 5. No pooping or peeing on the carpet. I was getting exhausted though. I had not done any of the things I planned to do or brought with me because the needs of Small, Medium, and Large were so different. These dogs like me but they didn't especially respect me.  When he walks them they all go at Small's pace. I was trying to team them in terms of their size and walking needs with my dog. It was like they had collaborated to go in different directions and I found myself in the middle of the street with one to the east and the other to the west, my arms aching and leashes wrapped around my ankles. I was so proud of my dog though because she is getting old but regular exercise has meant that she can outpace them.

I had met a friend of his once or twice but am not the friend with this other man myself. He showed up and dropped off his dog.  No one had asked me if I minded yet another dog.  And this one is a shedder.

The man was supposed to come back and bring dog food. He didn't. I had heard that this dog - called a "Puppy" - was tormenting Medium.  I had seen Medium give into him, just laying belly up on the sofa already, not wanting to fight. The Puppy started nipping Medium on her mouth and my dog got mad and gave a sharp loud warning bark. Puppy looked terrified and ran away and hid. Hours later he crept down the stairs to nip at her again and this time she growled. It was probably the first time she had ever stood up for herself, I thought empowered by my dog's feelings. I also said NO!  Puppy ran up the stairs and hid.

Now I never go into my friend's bedroom or study, but Small and Puppy did. When time to walk or feed came up, well, I couldn't blame Puppy because his owner does not train him or socialize him. I called his name for food, for treats, for a walk.  He didn't show.

I've begun to think these people who think reprimanding a dog or teaching him to behave is abuse are crazy.  Don't they know that puppyhood is the time to begin training?  Have they somehow never encountered a book on training dogs or heard of Dog Whisperers?  

Puppy apparently waited until I was sleeping and went wild around the house. My friend was due to return in the morning and when I got up there was shit everywhere, several places on the carpet, on the sofa covers, and it was evil shit.  My heart fell.

He came home and I told him, all the dogs had been with me, Small in bed with me, even Large had taken to sleeping on the floor next to me. The shit was Puppy's.  He mildly accused me of having "Done Something" to the dog.  I explained that my dog had barked at Puppy when he nipped Medium in the mouth and so on, but my friend was very quiet.  I started thinking about being disrespected by having this other dog put into my care as well.  I mentioned that the friend had not shown up with dog food either. My friend loaded up the carpet steamer right away and started working on the carpet, not speaking. Since he has just spent the night flying across country, this was not what he wanted to come home to.

This time the stipend and gift were nice but I also decided that, if asked to dog sit again, I will decline. My friend would have spent hundreds of dollars to kennel these dogs for a week.  They would have been in an environment that could have freaked them out rather in the comfort of their home and neighborhood.  To kennel them he would have had to take them all to the vets for vaccinations required by kennels, which here in Southern California generally expect dogs to be licensed and have all their usual vaccinations including Bordetella as well as flea treatments .

When we got home, my dog and I fell asleep. We fell asleep again in the afternoon. I woke to the sun shining through the window onto the bed.  Our eyes met.  She smiled, walked over to me and licked my face.  I knew what she was thinking! 

So good to be home and just the two of us at last!

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