A HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE THE URBARIUM 1767 - 1679 VINEYARDS and PRODUCTION of WINE in TOKAJ

TRANSLATE GOOGLE : 1679 YEAR TOKAJ WINE and VINEYARDS

This find, on the Hungaricana - NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF HUNGARY site, again came up using the town name Gonc, and it shows the early link with the town and the wine making and growing of grapes in the Tokaj region.  Here you will learn that some of the vineyards had been confiscated or lost and the names of the people who owned them or were taking care of them.

EXCERPT:  The free grapes confiscated by Menecert Keczer were cultivated by the "ex fructu" by Miklos Szini's widow (the whole funeral is his, in the case of neglected grapes, he does not come to the vine....

(A sense of humor is displayed!)

There is a list of villages this 19 page archival document covers.  If you have wine making in Tokaj in your family history this is a wonderful history.

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HUNGARICANA URBARIUM 1767 : USE GOOGLE SEARCH AND TRANSLATE TO LEARN HUNGARIAN RELIGIOUS HISTORY - THE TURKS - :TIP #13

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Besides using the Hungaricana (a site belonging to the National Archives of Hungary) to search for the information on the Urbarium 1767, the census ordered by Queen Marie Theresa at a time when Hungary was part of the Austrian Empire, you'll want to search the site for information held in it's archives and special collections about the time, place, and people of a region. This other. often incredibly important information, can be read in English, using the Google Search engine and the opportunity to translate.  To clarify, the translator will not work on the archived images of the Urbarium, but it will work to translate excerpts from books.

On the Urbarium, as previously mentioned, you will encounter places that seem to be wholly owned by a church or religious entities, an "Ecclesiastica" entity, or where there are monasteries, nunneries, bible colleges, priest education centers, pilgrimage sites, and so on.  

Using the search HUNGARICANA URBARIUM GONC, for instance (Gonc being the town previously mentioned, the name translating to "Hustle Bustle," perfect for a town that was integral in the marketing and shipping as part of the agricultural and vineyards economy as well as the coopering of the "Gonc wine barrel) I not only pull up information about the town but this:  

TRANSLATE GOOGLE : ESZTERGROM ECCLESIASTICAL BOOK from 18th century - PROPERTIES - TURKS

This book is about a time and place in which the Hungarians and the Churches, particularly the Roman Catholic Church, had suffered the devastation of the occupying Turks. TWO THIRDS of the HUNGARIAN POPULATION WAS SLAUGHTERED BY THE MUSLIM TURKS.  Because of this devastation, people were invited in to settle and populate the country from other countries and ultimately this provided in country ethnic diversity. This is when Germans in particular started coming into the country by sailing down the Danube or traveling in the equivalent of the Wagon Trains we're familiar with in America. (And to this day the Constitution of Hungary states this is a Christian country which ties in with current attitudes about immigrants.) 

The book selected to link to as an example of the NATIONAL ARCHIVES of HUNGARY archives is from the 18th century but it has information collected in the 1500's!  It's about the properties by county and place owned by the church. It mentions places destroyed during the Turk's invasion and occupation. Gonc itself is only mentioned once. 

But there's a lists of properties including that which HERMITS had taken over from them in the mid 1500's. 

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LILACS

STARTING in JULY - USING FAMILYSEARCH for HUNGARIAN and SLOVAK GENEALOGY

Summer has begun and though I'm also enjoying the warmer weather and the beauty of nature and indulging in other pass-times, I'm hot on my genealogy. 

I've already handwritten the posts about using the popular FAMILYSEARCH for Hungarian genealogy and have decided to start typing and posting them in July - August 2019. (I think by then I will have exhausted my Hungarian Urbarium 1767 experience / advice to my readers, but one never knows for sure...)

I know some of you who read MAGYAR-AMERICAN BlogSpot are also hot with your Hungarian and Hungarian American (and Slovak and Slovak American) genealogy projects. Maybe I can help. You see, I've spent more than five hundred hours using the FAMILYSEARCH databases and let's face it: much is to be desired.  It's my hope that somebody out there whose involved with FAMILYSEARCH will hear our collective call, so I do hope some of you will leave comments.

As a bit of background for those new to the research and those of you who, like me, have been stalled due to "unavailability" of records, I began my research so long ago it was pre-Internet. It was pre-Databases. It was using books and microfilm to document family stories - oral tradition - some of which proved to be not true. As a result, I know that there are massive gaps in what is presently available when it comes to indexing projects.  (UPDATE July 23, 2019: I checked again and there is presently an indexing project for the Civil Registrations for BUDAPEST, meaning that if you searched in the Civil Registrations for HUNGARY before, it did NOT include Budapest, the Capital and largest city in Hungary.)

My understanding is that Latter Day Saints Family History Libraries - which are around the nation - some Kis - some Nagy - and the headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah, decided to no longer send out the microfilms for loan. In the past we paid a reasonable fee for using the films and maybe it just wasn't lucrative to LDS, which is first a church with missionaries all over the world. Some of the films I used once. Some I used for weeks - months. But if, like me, you are not going to travel to Salt Lake to research there, then you're probably stuck needing to see what is on films that do or did exist, but which are not a high priority for them to make available. (Some Family History Centers have microfilms remaining in them that can be used if you go there. Some of the indexed films have images NOT available.)

So I'm going to share what I've learned and perhaps model some strategies for you. Some of you may read my advisory and say, "I already knew that!" 

Of course, Hungarians are in Slovakia and Slovaks are in Hungary, as are some Croats, Czechs, Romanians, Ruthenians (Carpathian - Rusyn) ...  There were also colonies of Germans, Italians, and other ethnic groups. There were/are several religions; Roman Catholic, Lutheran (called Evangelical), Reformed, Unitarian, Greek Catholic, Jewish and so on. Borders changed and today Hungary is about one third what it was before 1920. (And I'm aware that the Hungarian population in Romania wants their part returned to Hungary.) 

In order to get to posts on genealogy here at MAGYAR-AMERICAN BLOGSPOT, you have three options. One, you can go through my archives one by one. (Doing so you will find plenty of non-genealogy posts and can learn about Hungarian society and culture.) Two, you can use the search feature embedded in the front page of the blogger to bring up posts using a term such as "genealogy." Or, three, you can click on the labels you see beneath posts; I really try to label in a helpful way. (For the set of advice particular to Urbarium 1767 click on Urbarium 1767).  For this new set of experientials, click on "Family Search - use of databases."

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BUDAPEST

THE PARTS OF A GERANIUM - BOTONICAL

A WEDDING IN HUNGARY (1931)

WHATS ALL THAT SMILING ABOUT? : HUNGARIAN STEREOTYPES

 

Are you a "smiley-smiley" person? Smiling at strangers you walk past?  (You don't even know them.  You're not even in a conversation with them!) Do you feel the need to act like a welcoming committee?  When you're around sour people, do you think cheering them up is important?  And you don't work in entertainment or tourism?

Well, then, you are NOT a stereotypical Hungarian.

Hungarians do not understand all that smiling, all that showing of teeth.  YOU'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO SMILE WHEN YOU ARE HAPPY. Smiling when you are not happy is gratuitous.  It's phoney.  It's being someone you are not.  A people pleaser.

Save your smiles for when you really feel them.

(And that goes for your emoji's too!)


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