BANNING CITIZENS OF CERTAIN OTHER COUNTRIES FROM COMING TO THE US? NOTHING NEW

Over the last few days, as President Donald Trump attempts to fulfill his campaign promises, I've engaged in conversations with people from a number of different heritage backgrounds and political viewpoints, including some Moslem- American men who said to me, "Obama did more to get rid of Moslems than Trump ever will!"  I have a very politically correct friend who once was studying to be a Catholic priests who is sending me a lot of anti-Trump and pro-immigration articles. 

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING THEM.

Banning people from certain countries from immigrating, or stopping people of certain ethnic backgrounds as suspicious by possible association is NOTHING NEW in the history of the United States.  Consider the story of the Hungarians who came to the United States before World War I.  My Hungarian ancestor was certain that once he left Hungary he was not going back to work there.  Certain also that he and his sons would have to leave agricultural work and prepare for industry or have skills, he is said to have had the foresight to provide them some education prior to immigration.  They sacrificed, sold everything, worked long and hard, and had to give up on any notions they long held on to about coming from nobility or working for nobility. 

My ancestor wasted no time once he got to the United States in declaring his intent to become a citizen. He was already in midlife, had seen the death of his first wife, had remarried, and was the father of many children. After five years of working at any kind of work he could get, while not a citizen, becoming a member of a church and community, making friends and networking as much as he could, and staying in the same town (where he and his sons advertised their desire for work in the gazetteer), he wasted no time in filing for his second papers.  Seven years after arriving in the U.S., give or take a few months, he was declared a citizen.  His wife and minor children also became citizens so they did not have to apply when they became 18.  His older children who immigrated did their own citizenship the same way.  Luckily, all well before World War I broke out in Europe.

Many Hungarians did not really want to give up on Hungary or could not because of family farms and other obligations there, and they went back and forth, earning income here, becoming seasonal workers, often spending summers there working the land.  Those who did not become citizens because they felt unsure, found themselves in "the pickle" when this World War broke out.  THE UNITED STATES SUSPENDED ALL REQUESTS FOR CITIZENSHIP considering Hungarians, and many other ethnic groups from various countries to be, potentially, consorting with the enemy.  If you look at newspapers from that era of immigration, the war, and afterwards, you will find these people referred to as "foreigners."  You will see headlines also and lists, naming the "foreigners" who had completed their citizenship.

Without any of the methods we have today, our government could not so easily look into each and every individual's worthiness or desire to be considered exceptional.  Today the large numbers of people seeing citizenship or entering and remaining in the United States to work makes it difficult even with these methods, which are also thought to be privacy invading.

Although the way the Executive Order has been played out isn't good, and clearly the ways and means needed to be directed in more detail, for instance that those already here with Green Cards and incoming, should be allowed in, though personally I think a brief discussion with each person by immigration as they come in again is hardly discrimination or harassment, and the news services are having a lot of business detailing each case, the fact is my most politically correct friends keep welcoming immigrants and talking against discrimination, but have never been gang raped, had their daughter's sex trafficked, witnessed horrific atrocities, and have no fear of being ROUNDED UP BY ISIS, lined up and shot in the head or beheaded.  I dare say that EUROPE, where wars have been played out and where terrorism has been much worse than events, other than 9/11 here which did have a terrible effect on American Moral, have played out, ARE NOT THAT CONFIDENT.  My politically correct friends are NOT AFRAID. 

WHY NOT?

BECAUSE THEY ARE USED TO AND EXPECT our GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT US, the citizens! 

Some of these people are also ANTI GUN/WEAPONRY.  They do not think they need to protect themselves from a more personal situation they might encounter in their lives. 

THAT IS PRIVILEGE!  

I sometimes wish they had, as I have, gone to hear people who lived through the Nazi concentration camps speak.  It happened fast.  People didn't believe the rumors.  Vast numbers were rounded up and taken to their deaths.

That is why my position is in the middle.  WE DO NEED OUR GOVERNMENT'S PROTECTION.  WE DO NEED TO ACCEPT THAT THIS IS SO.  We are dependent on our spy agencies and our military and our police to keep us safe, especially when we refuse to own or use guns or other weapons ourselves.  And, we do need to honor citizens first, and those who obeyed our immigration laws to enter our country next.  Illegal immigrants are always taking their chances, but want to think it is unfair if they get caught.  How do you get caught?  By being criminal!

C 2017  Magyar American BlogSpot

ISIS - TURKEY - THE THREAT TO HUNGARY : OTTOMON EMPIRE? HUNGARIAN MERCENARIES?

For Hundreds of years the Moslem Turks controlled the country that would become Hungary. Their empire was called the Ottoman Empire. Before the country could be founded on Christianity, and align itself with Rome and Western Europe, these Turks had to be driven out. The fighting went on and on, and today there remains the ruins of many a castle fort that managed to do just that in the late 14th and early 15th centuries

This is why, when you look at the Coat of Arms and Shields of early aristocratic families of Hungary you will see images such as bloody swords and even the beheaded Turk.

Hungary became a Christian nation, a Roman Catholic dominated one, which made the country affiliated with The Church and the rest of Europe rather than a Slavic and Eastern Orthodox nation, like Russia. No doubt there have been and are people of these other faiths in Hungary, sometimes living in colonies or villages. Travelers to Budapest in the 19th century remarked on the ethnic and religious diversity of the city, as seen in the clothing that identified people of different ethnic groups and faiths.

I was thinking about all this in the morning as I listed to talk radio and dressed for the day. I thought about it because I heard that ISIS wants to make inroads next into Turkey. Clearly ISIS has the plan to have influence not only in Turkey but all of Europe, and the usual route in the Middle East is around the Mediterranean Sea.

Here is one article from CNN that asks if Turkey will battle ISIS on the ground.

CNN OPED: TURKEY ISIS OR PKK?

The article begins thus : Turkey is in a tough spot. It has ISIS militants threatening the Syrian border town of Kobani, inching ever closer to confronting Turkish security forces. In addition thousands of Syrian Kurds, fleeing ISIS attacks, have massed along its border, adding further to Ankara's troubles.


Amid mounting pressure to become more active in the U.S.-led international coalition against ISIS, the Turkish parliament last week overwhelmingly authorized its military to make incursions into Syria and Iraq; also to allow foreign troops to operate out of Turkish bases. The move has been greeted in Western capitals as a welcome sign that Turkey is finally fully on board with the anti-ISIS coalition.

Though beheading was practiced not only by the Ottoman Turks but the Hungarian's who fought for a nation to be, and more recently was, during the French Revolution, practiced by machine using the Guillotine, as well as in South East Asia in the 1960's, I have to say that I think this method of killing to be especially horrible.

Here in the United States, our FBI is asking citizens to help identify ISIS members who appear in videos, some with American or British English accents, and say they know the identities of a number of Americans who have left the country to fight the ISIS cause in other countries.

I ask myself, should such people be allowed back in.
My personal answer is, no. Anyone who is a terrorist should not be let in or let back in.

Here is one website that is covering the issue of Hungarian men who have joined ISIS and it is presented by the controversial JOBBIK party of Hungary.

JOBBIK ON WESTERN AND HUNGARIAN MERCENARIES

First thing I must note is that the term MERCENARIES is used, indicating that these are soldiers who are without personal allegiance but who work as soldiers for pay. There is a difference. Is the term used correctly?


Here is an excerpt from that article:

He added that, considering the gravity of the situation, the worrying news prompted Jobbik to turn to László Kövér, the Speaker of the Hungarian Parliament and Zsolt Németh, the chairman of the foreign affairs committee to summon the foreign affairs and the national security committees of the Parliament. The politician pointed out that the activities of these people had been followed by the Counter Terrorism Centre and the national security services of Hungary, and the Parliament should be informed who they are, what is the purpose of their staying in the area and/or serving in the ranks of ISIS. Jobbik also wants to find out what national security risks are posed by the activities of these persons in the ranks of ISIS.

The patriotic party expects correct information from the national security services, and responses from László Kövér and Zsolt Németh as well.\

C 2014 Magyar- American BlogSpot