RESEARCHING GERMANS IN HUNGARY - YUGOSLAVIA - ROMANIA - WHO IMMIGRATED TO THE UNITED STATES

I've been reading around the subject of German immigration into the parts of Europe that were once Hungary, including areas that became Romania and Yugoslavia, and then to the Unites States.  The waves of immigration into Hungary may have been documented as early as the 1400's in some places, 1600's in others.  These people are called HUNGARIAN GERMANS.

Germany let people go to other countries with the idea that they would always be Germans and could always come back.  Often for generations these Germans in  their colonies and towns and villages they established, remained German ethnically.  They continued to have a German lifestyle in the way they lived, spoke, cooked, dressed, practiced religion, worked, and in the way they saw family life, inheritance, and the roles of women.  Of course, after a few generations the Hungarian lifestyle had its influence.

They may have all come from a particular part of Germany - particularly Catholic regions - where they were intermarried with locals - and continued to intermarry in Hungary.  Many of them learned the Hungarian language, came to consider themselves Hungarian, intermarried with Hungarians of the same religion.  When they came to the United States they lived close with other Hungarian immigrants, spoke German and Hungarian and learned English.

But it's not true that the Hungarians are "all Germans" as I've often been told.

Doing a little research on this subject, I found that there are a number of names for these HUNGARIAN GERMANS.  For instance they are sometimes identified by the area or even the town they came from, such as the Palankaer Germans who came from Palanka.   They may be called Dabube Swabians or Transylvania Saxons.

Or they are called "expelled Germans."  This site is very interesting: EXPELLED GERMANS ORG . A long list of places that Germans have been expelled from through (especially recent) history.

Another interesting site is this one : BLACK SEA GERMANS  which begins, "
Approximately 800 villages were founded in Hungary by German settlers from 1711 to 1750. These German settlers came from the regions known as Baden, Württemberg, Alsace, Lorraine, the Rhineland, Westphalia, Bavaria, and Swabia, as well as from other areas. Even though they came from various regions and spoke various dialects, the Hungarians called them Swabians, and the name came to be used in reference to all Germans who settled in the Danube valley.

Although there had been German immigration to Hungary prior to 1711, the expulsion of the Turks resulted in an organized settlement program sponsored by the Habsburgs. The Habsburgs had three aims: 1) fortify the land against invasion, 2) develop farm land, and 3) further the Roman Catholic religion in Eastern Europe. They offered Catholics of the southwest German states inducements such as free agricultural land, home sites, construction materials, livestock, and exemption from taxes for several years...."*****

I continue to also read around the subject of DNA and am fascinated with what we are learning through this science about how human beings moved through the generations around the world.

A BEAUTIFUL VIDEO about the R1B1 DNA OF PEOPLE WITH TURANIAN ROOTS

What this YouTube Video Poster has to say: Uigurs, Kazakhs, Bashkirs, some other peoples of Siberia, Central Asia and the Urals descend in part from the ancient R1b1 branch, and by now retain the same haplogroup for 16,000 years. Comparison of R1b haplotypes of the Uigurs on the one hand, and Chuvashes, Bulgars, and Hungarians...

 


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Researching a bit more, I learned that the term TURANIAN is controversial and considered obsolete by some.  But here is a web site with more information: HUNMAGYAR.ORG  which begins "Welcome to the realm of the Turanians. The Turanians are a family of ethno-linguistically related peoples which include the Hungarians, the Uralic group (Finnic and West Siberian peoples), and the Altaic group (Turkic, Mongolian, Tungus-Manchu, Korean and Japanese peoples). The Turanians are the indigenous inhabitants of vast territories in Eurasia, from Central Europe to the Pacific Ocean, and have a rich and ancient cultural heritage...."


This HUNMAGYAR site has some fascinating links.  By clicking on HUNGARY on their map I reached a page that includes this mythology link HUNMAGYAR - HUNGARIAN MYTHOLOGY which supports the idea that the ancient Hungarians were from Sumeria.


The R1B1 DNA is the DNA of an estimated 25% to 50% of the population based on current DNA Hungarian projects that I found on the Internet.  It is not the only DNA of Hungarians.

THIS AUTHOR BELIEVES HUNGARIANS (MAGYARS) ORIGINATED IN THE HINDU KUSH - UPDATED DNA

MAGYAR ORIGINS - COMMENTARY ON NEW EDITION OF THE BOOK  author Frank Sandor is the youngest of four children born in Canada to Hungarian immigrants.  

Sandor looks at SANSKRIT and URALIC languages... caste systems associated with types of employment and forbidden intermarriage with other castes which isolates DNA... the DNA of warrior casts... looks at the latest Hungarian DNA analysis from a famous DNA service... and has a long list of links to sources for information.

EXCERPT:

Another thing that has changed since the writing of my book is the discovery of the Z280 genetic marker in Hungarians belonging to the R1a1a group.  At the time of its discovery, because of the study’s heavy contribution of Hungarians, it was believed this marker only existed in Hungary.  Since that time this marker has been shown to be common throughout Central Asia including having recently been discovered in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.  The proximity of Uzbekistan to Pakistan suggests it is only a matter of further study before the Z280 marker is also found there as no geographic barrier between the two countries until you get to the Hindu Kush Mountains near the Indian border.  (The distance between Pakistan and Uzbekistan is about the same distance as a return trip from Washington, DC to New York.)

 

HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME LINKS TO CURTIS, BARRYMORE, HARGITAY ADDED TO MAGYAR AMERICAN SIDE-BAR

The Hollywood Walk of Fame is, if you haven't heard of it, a way of honoring famous actors and others in the city of Hollywood, with stars that are embedded in the side walk.  It is a tourist attraction but please understand that it is fan clubs that raise the money for the actual star in honor of their favorites.  I've been there and you can walk the streets for miles looking for stars.  When someone dies, if their fan club is still around, then there is usually a floral tribute placed upon it.  Some of the sidewalk and actual stars are in need of maintenance, others are bright and shiny.

Looking through MAGYAR- AMERICAN blog, I noticed a couple posts that needed to be taken down due to expired videos.  I decided to add the HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME links for

Tony and Jamie Lee Curtis, Drew Barrymore, and Mariska Hargitay to my side bar.  These links have very informative bios on them.

There are and were more Hungarian-American actors and very many Hungarian immigrants who were involved in the making of films from their early years in Hollywood, behind the camera as well as in front of it, and in all aspects of production.  In case you are wondering, many of these people were Hungarian Jews.

Besides the Gabor Sisters, there is Goldie Hawn and Kate Hudson, her daughter, Jessica Szhor, Adrien Brody, and Tara Reid who have some Hungarian ancestry.  There are also many Hungarian-American stage actors. 

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